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Lab obedience training

Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:25 am
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:25 am
I have a 7 week old lab puppy. Can anyone recommend a good resource/book for obedience training? At what age should I began? Tips/advice appreciated.
Posted by KemoSabe65
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Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:28 am to
lemme check my dvd stash at lunch for OB vids. I will mail one to you if i can find what you need, NO CHARGE.
***I have no clue where they are in the house but my house isn't a palacial estate****
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
48937 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:30 am to
Water Dog (if you want to hunt it)


Family Dog (if you don't)
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:43 am to
quote:

Water Dog (if you want to hunt it)


Been the benchmark for years...you know its good when a new one comes out refuting the techniques in the benchmark.

You start training a dog as soon as you take it away from the litter....either in good manners or bad. They learn every second of every minute of everyday....mostly shite we would prefer they not learn, some of which we have to unlearn in them....what is called training in some cases but its all training. Start training it in the way you want it to behave as soon as you get the thing away from its mama because you are going to be either training it to do what you want or training it to do what it wants....it wants to please you because you are the pack leader and you have the food....dogs are very simple creatures and those 2 instincts will allow them to do anything asked of them.....but you have to be clear about what you are asking because some of the shite you will training it to do otherwise is easier...like crapping in the floor when it needs to instead of waiting until it is outside....

If you plan on hunting the dog do not get caught up in its "spirit" or considering what you are doing is cruel. Gods THRIVE on knowing what is expected of them....they are MISERABLE when they do not know...nothing is "beneath" them....unless you are simply cruel....they just want to know what their expectations are....if give it the sit command and allow it to wait for a couple of commands you have taught it that the sit command means to sit when they decided to....it ain't the dogs fault, it is yours...if your intention was for it to sit when commanded. You do not have to be a brute just consistent...as long as you remain consistent the dogs "spirit" will be enhanced by training because it will be confident and self assured...nothing as cruel as to train a dog that sit means to sit when they decide to and your being disappointed in them not doing so immediately. They are simple creatures and the doubt this instills is far worse than a good smack on the arse or a severe hollering....the latter 2 establishes expectations, the former establishes confusion and doubt. It isn't for the feint of heart because we love our dogs....and sometimes love them so much we overlook bad habits that we have taught....which in the field can lead to the dog's death or loss....
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1723 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:48 am to
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mail one to you


Thanks
Posted by KemoSabe65
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:15 am to
"Been the benchmark for years...you know its good when a new one comes out refuting the techniques in the benchmark."

Not really, was written by a book editor in a day and age where real knowledge was kept close to the vest by the Cotton Pershalls of the day. Not only knowledge but training techniques used since most would be seen as barbaric today and they probably were even then.
Wolters book opened up the world for the Blue Collar guys who could never in a million years put a dog with Cotton.
What his book didn't do was EVOLVE with current training regimens, so to call it a benchmark isn't quite appropriate.
The real FATHER of modern training techniques was Rex Carr. Modern training encompassed the use of electronic stimulation and Rex was the first to perfect it's use.
But i digress
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10420 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:25 am to
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written by a book editor in a day and age where real knowledge was kept close to the vest by the Cotton Pershalls of the day


I used Water Dog to train my first 2 Labs. That and a lot of advice from members of the NELA Hunting Retriever Club back in the late 80's and early 90's. It was the benchmark but like you said, dog training was kept close to the vest back in the day and there wasn't really anything else out there for the Joe Blow dog trainer to use to train a dog other than sending it to a trainer.

I always wondered why the dog in Wolter's book was so far ahead of my dogs in their progression. Not only till later did I find out that the dog in his book was a genetic freak of nature in the Lab world of that day.
Posted by KemoSabe65
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Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:03 pm to
Many days I wonder what the impetus was for Mike Lardy and Dave Rorem to give away their magic for not much monitory gain. Both had plenty of rich clients that weren’t moving their stable of dogs, feeder programs & waiting list.
Technology in the form of the vhs tape allowed the magic to be shared.
Sorry for the derail OP
Would purchase/make the following items; 4’ lead, 15’ lead, 30’ lead, herme springer pinch collar, soft heeling stick. Gundogsupply has all if you’re not handy with knots.
Here’s a good one on healing: LINK
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1723 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:31 pm to
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not handy with knots

KS, excuse my ignorance but what you mean by knots?
Posted by KemoSabe65
70605
Member since Mar 2018
5129 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:39 pm to
Will need snap rings on the end of your ropes to secure to collar, sorry.
Posted by shell01
Marianna, FL
Member since Jul 2014
793 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:26 pm to
Congrats on the new pup!

It's important to lay a good foundation so good on you for wanting to start early. Your early focus should be on building a good relationship with your pup, exposing it (carefully and safely) to as many things possible her in the socialization window (before ~16wks), and managing the pup to not allow it to make bad decisions.

I highly suggest Michael Ellis videos on YouTube. He has a whole puppy series, and also some fundamental training videos (training with food, training with toys, etc.)

You won't need a prong collar for quite a while. To start you'll need tasty treats, good chew and tug toys. I would start with marker training, look up "charging the marker"....you can use your voice "YES!" as a marker, you don't need a clicker although I keep one handy. The idea is to be able to communicate to your dog very clearly what behaviors you like. Behaviors that are rewarded will be repeated. Puppies are capable of learning the basics pretty easily, just don't expect perfection from them until they have matured mentally.

Seriously, watch some videos of Michael Ellis with his dogs. He mostly works in protection sports, but he has a lab himself and uses the same techniques with him. They are precise and very happy workers, and that's how I want my dog.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 1:41 pm
Posted by OntarioTiger
Canada
Member since Nov 2007
2116 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:44 pm to
what lsuhat said - I used water dog for 80% of my lab training and various videos (now YouTube) etc to fine tune drills or get new ones. My latest lab is just over 2 and was the easiest lab I have trained, he picked up hand signals in under a week … I wondered what we were going to do for the next 4 weeks of training.
My best advice is spend some time w/ them every day (it doesn't have to be long - especially under 4 mo old) but a few minutes of focused training goes a long way. As they get older the training time increases but I have never spent more than an hour in focused training - that's waaay too long for me and the dog.
Have fun good luck
Posted by jdawg44
Member since Jan 2019
4 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:51 pm to
Cornerstone Gundog Academy has a great online program...a little pricey but well worth it in my opinion. App/Online Videos that take you step by step throughout the entire process from puppy to a fully trained gundog. I'm a first timer and am having success with my new pup.
Posted by shell01
Marianna, FL
Member since Jul 2014
793 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:00 pm to
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Here’s a good one on healing: LINK 

Guy asks for guidance in training a 7wk old puppy and you send him a ecollar video? :/
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1723 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:31 pm to
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shell01


When did you start with your latest dog?
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1723 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:34 pm to
Let me add too. This is my first lab. Ive always wanted a lab. I’m 38 now and finally got one. I want to do this right. I do duck hunt but don’t know if I’m gonna go that route with him. But I do want him obedient.
Posted by OntarioTiger
Canada
Member since Nov 2007
2116 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:40 pm to
than family dog works - what LSUhat said - you want a good canine citizen. There are some local obedience schools that would help too but follow family dog and that works.

Male or female? females generally are easier to train and not knuckleheads.
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1723 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

Male




Best pic I got cause the kids won’t leave him alone. I’ve had him 2 days.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 2:47 pm
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

Not really, was written by a book editor in a day and age where real knowledge was kept close to the vest by the Cotton Pershalls of the day. Not only knowledge but training techniques used since most would be seen as barbaric today and they probably were even then. Wolters book opened up the world for the Blue Collar guys who could never in a million years put a dog with Cotton. What his book didn't do was EVOLVE with current training regimens, so to call it a benchmark isn't quite appropriate. The real FATHER of modern training techniques was Rex Carr. Modern training encompassed the use of electronic stimulation and Rex was the first to perfect it's use. But i digress



quote:

"Been the benchmark for years...you know its good when a new one comes out refuting the techniques in the benchmark."


See what I mean???? I don't doubt there are many guides as good as Wolters but Wolters has been proven many times for many amateurs trying to get a dog field ready. Times have changed, methods have changed....but Labs and other duck dogs ain't....Wolter's methods will work on a dog today just as it did the day it was written and it has stood the test of time for amateurs. I have read many training books over the years and most somehow reference Wolters book...either positively but more normally negatively....because the writer sees Wolter's effort of something of a benchmark that has stood the test of time, is going to be recommended to a would be trainer sooner rather than later in their quest for a guide and the new method is either refuting the old or improving on it...Wolter's techniques are doable...the amount of time is not unrealistic and the idea of patience and consistency being the order of the day is what works with amateurs....because most of us would like to simply tell a dog what we expect and come to an understanding...dogs do not work that way.....they want to please and are confident in their work when they know what they are expected to do....and happy in their work and lives...and Wolter's entire work focuses on this and it works....
Posted by shell01
Marianna, FL
Member since Jul 2014
793 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:50 pm to
Picked up my current pup at 9wks old and started the very next day. She's 4.5m old now and doing great. It's awesome to see the wheels turning in her little head and see things beginning to really "click." We hope to do agility, disc dog, obedience/rally and barn hunt. She has a repertoire of about 20 commands already.

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