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re: La Concealed Carry question?? Advantages of lifetime vs the 5 year.

Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:36 am to
Posted by lsushelly
Denham Springs
Member since Aug 2006
3626 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:36 am to
Not trying to be tough at all. I’m just saying I will stand for freedom and the 2A. Also I sincerely believe there are millions more who feel the same way
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5897 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 10:08 am to
quote:

One of my best friends owns a pawn shop. I don't buy many new, I buy from individuals where there is no record. If I every have to give up weapons, I'll give up all the ones that I bought through a retailer.

You are a walking stereotype of the worst customers at a gun store. Can't tell you how many times I have had customers like you say dumb crap like this but then wear "Back the Blue" type shirts.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6093 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 10:41 am to
quote:

Not trying to be tough at all. I’m just saying I will stand for freedom and the 2A. Also I sincerely believe there are millions more who feel the same way


I understand, but when it comes to one's money (job or fines) or freedom, they won't be near as many standing with you.

I know a ton of people who weren't going to get the vaccine, but when came down to their job (if they had a good one), most took the vaccine although swearing they'd never get it.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6093 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 10:50 am to
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You are a walking stereotype of the worst customers at a gun store. Can't tell you how many times I have had customers like you say dumb crap like this but then wear "Back the Blue" type shirts.




Sorry man, don't have any idea what you're meaning?

Buying privately in my state is not illegal, plus there is no registration law (in my state).

I have bought a few from retailers, if it comes down to it, I'll give those up. Most of mine were not bought from retailers though, I have no plans to declare those or give them up or register them.

If a squad of ATF agents show up to my door with a search warrant, I'm probably not going to fight them to the death though.

I don't think it will come to this in my lifetime (at most I got 30 years left), but there is a point in the future when confiscation or at least well controlled national regulation will happen.
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 10:53 am
Posted by LSUdude73
Moss Bluff
Member since Sep 2013
24 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 11:01 am to
That's odd, I just bought a gun two weeks ago and presented my Lifetime CCP with no background check wait. Now granted it is less than 5 years since I went to the Lifetime renewal. So just to be clear on what you're saying... Even though it expires and I have to go through the same process to renew a lifetime permit (FBI Background check to make sure I've committed no crimes in the previous 5 years) it makes the gun purchase check different than from the first five years of issuance?
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6093 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 11:17 am to
quote:

That's odd, I just bought a gun two weeks ago and presented my Lifetime CCP with no background check wait. Now granted it is less than 5 years since I went to the Lifetime renewal. So just to be clear on what you're saying... Even though it expires and I have to go through the same process to renew a lifetime permit (FBI Background check to make sure I've committed no crimes in the previous 5 years) it makes the gun purchase check different than from the first five years of issuance?




I got no idea, but if you saying there is no record of you purchasing the firearm, that's great. I was with a buddy and he purchased a rifle in Vicksburg, MS He had his CCP, but still had to complete some paperwork (actually the store completed the paperwork by recording info from his CCP)?

I don't know, but if you are purchasing a firearm with a CCP and there is no recorded transaction going to the ATF, please let me know, that may change my opinion. I'm assuming this is in LA?

If I am wrong, I do apologize.
Posted by LSUdude73
Moss Bluff
Member since Sep 2013
24 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 11:27 am to
My reply was to a previous post… but no the paperwork for the transaction was completed. My comment was to the fact that the gun store doesn’t have to run the background check upon presenting a valid permit.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6093 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 11:38 am to
I understand, and agree there is no background check with a valid CCP. But I've always assumed there was a record of the purchase (the buyer's name and type/serial number of firearm) transmitted to ATF.

I don't know if I have ever asked that question, just assumed the purchase was recorded and info sent the the ATF.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
67791 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

That's odd, I just bought a gun two weeks ago and presented my Lifetime CCP with no background check wait. Now granted it is less than 5 years since I went to the Lifetime renewal. So just to be clear on what you're saying... Even though it expires and I have to go through the same process to renew a lifetime permit (FBI Background check to make sure I've committed no crimes in the previous 5 years) it makes the gun purchase check different than from the first five years of issuance?


Open Letter to all Louisiana FFLs

quote:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has reviewed the
Louisiana Lifetime Permit and determined that the permit meets the requirements as an
alternative to the NICS background check requirement only for the initial five-year period
beginning on the original issuance date. However, since the Louisiana Lifetime Permit is
not re-issued with an updated issuance date, the holder cannot continue to use their
“original” Lifetime Permit indefinitely as an alternative to a NICS background check.

After the initial five-year period, the Louisiana Lifetime Permit would no longer meet the
requirements of 18 U.S.C. § 922(t) as an alternative to a NICS background check. The
holder of a Louisiana Lifetime Permit would then be subject to a NICS check by a
Louisiana FFL for a firearm transfer occurring after the first five years of the issuance date.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17126 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 1:05 pm to
I never understood the logic behind this since the FFL is supposed to go the LSP website and enter the CHP number to verify that it’s a valid permit or not. Obviously this is to prevent someone who had their permit revoked for whatever reason but still had the physical card from buying a firearm using the (revoked) permit in place of an NICS background check.

Since the FFL is supposed to verify that the CHP is valid, what does it matter if it’s 4, 5, or 25 years old??
Posted by LSUdude73
Moss Bluff
Member since Sep 2013
24 posts
Posted on 11/30/21 at 1:11 pm to
I guess that settles that question, thanks for the info.
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