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re: Hunting Cougar/Bear/Bobcat/Coyote/etc
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:59 pm to TigerDeacon
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:59 pm to TigerDeacon
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they are non-native.
Coyotes have been making a migration toward the east and north for decades. They weren't introduced or let loose here. They are now a native species.
Non-native is more like pythons in the Everglades.
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Posted on 11/15/10 at 1:06 pm to glassman
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Coyotes have been making a migration toward the east and north for decades. They weren't introduced or let loose here. They are now a native species.
Non-native is more like pythons in the Everglades.
Funny how they never made it here in the millions of years before Europeans arrived here.
How they got here is irrelevant to whether they were historically part of the fauna.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 1:11 pm to TigerDeacon
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Someone said a bobcat will kill a full grown deer . . . yeah, right.
Have you never seen the pictures of a large bobcat taking down a deer and killing it? Are you guys really woodsmen?
In one thread we have some dumb arse shooting a swimming deer from a boat and now this thread. Never knew there were so many unethical and pussyfied hunters around.
I bet you would be shooting Cougars after one drug your child out of your yard or killed and ate your wife while she was jogging
I bet you would be shooting coyotes after they attacked you kids or came in your yard and killed your pets.
I bet you would kill a fox if it came to your child's school and bit him/her causing them to have to get rabies shots.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 1:11 pm to TigerDeacon
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Funny how they never made it here in the millions of years before Europeans arrived here.
The coyote has exploded in population because of the virtual extinction of the grey and red wold. Certainly Europeans are the cause of that. Coyotes are just filling the void. They have migrated, but they weren't introduced like grass carp or pythons.
ETA: Jaguars are native to Louisiana, you want them back?
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 1:22 pm to offshoretrash
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Have you never seen the pictures of a large bobcat taking down a deer and killing it? Are you guys really woodsmen?
In one thread we have some dumb arse shooting a swimming deer from a boat and now this thread. Never knew there were so many unethical and pussyfied hunters around.
I bet you would be shooting Cougars after one drug your child out of your yard or killed and ate your wife while she was jogging
I bet you would be shooting coyotes after they attacked you kids or came in your yard and killed your pets.
I bet you would kill a fox if it came to your child's school and bit him/her causing them to have to get rabies shots.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 2:13 pm to TigerDeacon
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Funny how they never made it here in the millions of years before Europeans arrived here.
How they got here is irrelevant to whether they were historically part of the fauna.
I've made this argument on several other web sites:
My theory: The red wolf is the ancestor to all North American wolves (or was concurrent to them) and was an ancestor to the coyote also. That means it predates coyotes, and is why they can interbreed. Coyotes are just filling the red wolves' niche, but aren't capable of bringing down adult deer. Yes, they trotted across bridges to get to the Eastern US. WE PROVIDED THE BRIDGES.
there were no coyotes in most southeastern states until the 20th century...when was the first permanent bridge across the Mississippi?
Posted on 11/15/10 at 3:39 pm to glassman
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ETA: Jaguars are native to Louisiana, you want them back?
No, and nowhere did I make that statement.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:05 pm to TigerDeacon
I can tell you why the Coyotes have made such a big move. They ain't worth wooden nickle on the fur market and the dog runners love them.
I think you're wrong on how they crossed the Miss, they were brought in for the dogs to run in the pens in Miss, Alabama and Georgia and naturally some escaped.
And they have no natural pedator other than man and when you live in a state like La. that won't let you hunt at night they are impossible to control their numbers.
I think you're wrong on how they crossed the Miss, they were brought in for the dogs to run in the pens in Miss, Alabama and Georgia and naturally some escaped.
And they have no natural pedator other than man and when you live in a state like La. that won't let you hunt at night they are impossible to control their numbers.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:07 pm to offshoretrash
I had an uncle catch a bunch of coyote years ago to sell to those places that run them in pens.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 7:54 am to offshoretrash
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And they have no natural pedator other than man and when you live in a state like La.
If you mean in Louisiana, you are basically correct. But, in general, larger predators kill (fight) smaller predators when they get a chance. In areas where there are gray wolves, it's not good for a coyote to run across them. So, I'd also imagine conflicts between coyotes and bears or pumas.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 8:41 am to offshoretrash
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I think you're wrong on how they crossed the Miss, they were brought in for the dogs to run in the pens in Miss, Alabama and Georgia and naturally some escaped.
This is incorrect. They naturally expanded their range just like armadillos. What makes coyotes so dangerous is they breed with domesticated and feral dogs and create a dangerous animal w/no fear of humans. "Coydogs" have become a problem in many areas of the country.
Read on, my brother! Read on!
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As coyotes spread east, did they hybridize with wolves?
There's good data to suggest that coyotes hybridized with wolves in the past. As coyotes expanded into the Northeast, for example, they may have hybridized with remnant populations of wolves, most likely in Canada. Some, therefore, might have a proportion of wolf DNA in their genome. But the significance of this isn't clear. These animals clearly act like coyotes and not wolves.
I've read this is what happened to the red wolf, particularly in SW Louisiana. Red wolves were declared extinct in the wild in 1980.
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What about hybridization with domestic dogs?
Coyotes hybridize with dogs, but this is very rare in the wild, where they have plenty of opportunity to mate with members of their own species.
Don't necessarily agree with this considering articles I've read from other knowledgeable sources.
This post was edited on 11/18/10 at 8:56 am
Posted on 11/18/10 at 12:11 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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What about hybridization with domestic dogs?
Coyotes hybridize with dogs, but this is very rare in the wild, where they have plenty of opportunity to mate with members of their own species.
Don't necessarily agree with this considering articles I've read from other knowledgeable sources.
Why not? It's probably more likely that coyotes would fight with or kill domestic dogs rather than mate with them They'd see them as competition rather than a potential mate.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 12:19 pm to TigerDeacon
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Funny how they never made it here in the millions of years before Europeans arrived here.
How they got here is irrelevant to whether they were historically part of the fauna.
That's because Europeans opened up preferable habitat to them that wasn't there before through logging and other such activities, and Europeans were very good at whipping out their competition, and predator, the wolf.
Take a look at the cattle egret. It's not originally a native species, but it expanded it's range OVER the Atlantic Ocean and throughout the world. Why? Because of humans conversion of land to agricultural purposes.
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