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re: How much to plant pine per acre in Louisiana
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:50 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:50 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Which is dumb as hell.
Why is that?
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 5:17 am to geauxbrown
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Why is that?
Because NRCS doesn't pay farmers to plant corn, sugarcane, or rice. It's also not natural, and purely for production, so it's a complete waste of taxpayer dollars.
Want to plant trees with farmer bill dollars? Great, here's what occurred here natural. Want to plant a lob plantation where you just clearcut hardwoods? Sorry, you'll have to foot that bill yourself.
Just like Ron, I dislike loblolly plantations.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:11 am to Nodust
Id plant longleaf.
Couple programs that help with cost.
I’d keep the them spread out a little more than a normal plantation in hopes of turning it into a pine savanna one day.
Throw in some walnut,poplar and various oaks too. Just make sure you mark them well and protect them during burning.
Burn every 2-3 years and it’ll be a nice hunting area from now on .
Couple programs that help with cost.
I’d keep the them spread out a little more than a normal plantation in hopes of turning it into a pine savanna one day.
Throw in some walnut,poplar and various oaks too. Just make sure you mark them well and protect them during burning.
Burn every 2-3 years and it’ll be a nice hunting area from now on .
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:56 am to Metariemobtiger
I planted close to 40 walnuts hoping to get trees from them a couple of weeks ago. I have 8 or 9 mature trees at my place now and picked up some of the nuts when they fell. I plan on planting bunches more. I’ve also planted 30-40 chestnut hybrids and 50-60 white oaks. I have a couple of pasture areas that I’m turning into woods (eventually).
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:57 am to Cowboyfan89
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Because NRCS doesn’t pay farmers to plant corn….
I’m no fan of loblolly plantations. In fact, I refer to them as deer deserts, but if you’re talking about holding soil in place, they have a purpose.
In addition, I’d say there’s a pretty big difference between being “paid” to plant trees versus row crops.
Also, my OP didn’t reference loblolly, but long leaf. There’s a huge difference in those two trees in regard to wildlife habitat and the benefits.
As a landowner, the programs that presently pay me the most are those centered on stopping erosion in low areas.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:09 am to geauxbrown
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but if you’re talking about holding soil in place, they have a purpose.
Except no one plants them for this reason in LA. They might say that's why, but any other tree will do the same job. They just don't want any other tree.
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In addition, I’d say there’s a pretty big difference between being “paid” to plant trees versus row crops.
The only "big" difference is the amount of time between planting and harvest. A lob plantation has one purpose...same as a corn field. No one plants 100 acres of corn for any other purpose than production. Same goes for lob plantations. In either case, there are plenty of better species that could be planted if production is not the primary goal.
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Also, my OP didn’t reference loblolly, but long leaf.
I know. I was merely pointing out that NRCS doesn't just pay for longleaf.
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As a landowner, the programs that presently pay me the most are those centered on stopping erosion in low areas.
That's great! That's what they programs are supposed to do. These days, in the right program, you can make a killing doing just about anything. Even a small 10 acre property can generate a $60k NRCS contract today.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:51 am to Nodust
There is tons of help avaiable (free). You can get a LDWF private lands biologist to come out or go to your local NRCS office and speak to them. All depends on who you talk to which way you will want to go.
Your area may have been historic longleaf pine and if it is, that would be a great thing to convert the land back to. However, longleaf pine is an entire ecosystem and not just the tree. If you are just going to plant 700 trees to the acre and never burn it or do anything with it, then longleaf wouldn’t be a smart choice. Its a wildlife desert just like a lob or slash plantation if you want to learn how to manage property and watch the fruits of your labor then longleaf would be pretty cool
Your area may have been historic longleaf pine and if it is, that would be a great thing to convert the land back to. However, longleaf pine is an entire ecosystem and not just the tree. If you are just going to plant 700 trees to the acre and never burn it or do anything with it, then longleaf wouldn’t be a smart choice. Its a wildlife desert just like a lob or slash plantation if you want to learn how to manage property and watch the fruits of your labor then longleaf would be pretty cool
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:52 am to Cowboyfan89
“10 acre can generate $60k”
How is this possible? What program?
How is this possible? What program?
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:41 am to Sloughdog
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How is this possible? What program?
CSP. Depends on a number of factors, but in my case, I have 3 land uses, each of which will have an activity planned on them, with a couple of high dollar activities on 2 of them. The base payment alone will be over $9k/yr, with around $12k in activities planned.
I've written plenty of $400k contracts on large tracts.
Hell, you can make $1500/ac (as in, in your pocket) through CSP for tree plantings depending on what you want to plant.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 11:47 am
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:47 am to Big Dogris
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About $125 for 605-622. Yes that’s for labor and seedlings.
Pretty impressive.
Though if someone called me and said "yo turnblad, come on over and plant 600 trees and I've got $125 with your name on it. Oh, and bring the trees with you".....man F that.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 2:04 pm to Turnblad85
I’ve planted a few thousand pine and hardwood seedlings when I was in my 40’s,most I could do was 500/ day.
Mexicans plant 2,000-2500/day.
Mexicans plant 2,000-2500/day.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:57 pm to Cowboyfan89
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CSP
And if those pines are managed correctly they can produce as much protein as needed for a healthy deer herd. Problem is, most folks won’t do the work.
What are your thoughts on burning hardwoods in February.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:49 pm to Big Dogris
There’s also a trend of planting around 540 TPA using seedlings with really good genetics and skipping the first thinning. Grow them to around 20 years and harvest everything.
One thing to consider if you are contemplating Longleaf is soil texture. You’re going to need a site with sandier, well-drained soils.
One thing to consider if you are contemplating Longleaf is soil texture. You’re going to need a site with sandier, well-drained soils.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:26 pm to KB375
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There’s also a trend of planting around 540 TPA using seedlings with really good genetics and skipping the first thinning.
Hell, the only foresters operating in the part of Louisiana this guy is in are all hung up on 600 or more TPA. And not a damn one of them seems to want to plant longleaf. I've seen perfectly good longleaf and upland hardwood sites planted to loblolly. They are purely about production forestry in that part of the world, even though Weyerhaeuser seemingly destroyed the timber market in that part of the world, and there aren't any mills even remotely close (last I heard there might be one opening in the Florida Parishes, though).
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One thing to consider if you are contemplating Longleaf is soil texture. You’re going to need a site with sandier, well-drained soils.
He's in the right part of LA. He could be on something that's not suitable, but alot of East Feliciana is. Also alot that could have been upland hardwood as well.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:30 pm to geauxbrown
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And if those pines are managed correctly they can produce as much protein as needed for a healthy deer herd. Problem is, most folks won’t do the work.
That's exactly why I hate lob, because it's almost strictly managed for timber. I have seen some beautiful lob stands that are managed for timber and wildlife, but those tend to be the exception rather than the rule here.
But I don't disagree. I think pine landscapes get overlooked as deer habitat when in reality, they probably have more year-round food sources than a hardwood forest.
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What are your thoughts on burning hardwoods in February.
Don't want to get even more off in the weeds and off-topic, so I'll just leave it at this...it depends on a lot of factors, but it can be beneficial when done the right way in the right system. But there's definitely more than can go wrong in those systems than in a pine system.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:39 pm to Cowboyfan89
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I think pine landscapes get overlooked as deer habitat when in reality, they probably have more year-round food sources than a hardwood forest.
100%. I’ll do you one more and say that I think deer live in the woods despite the trees.
Managing succession is the trick to maintaining quality deer and turkey habitat. That’s a lot easier to do in pines.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:14 pm to Cowboyfan89
I have about 50 acres of bottom ground that I thinned last summer. Took out the gum and elm. Left the oaks.
My basil is still pretty high and I’m really wanting more turkeys vs deer. I burned about 10 acres of it last February on a cold day. I’ve yet to see any damage but my understanding is it would take time before a tree would die from getting too hot.
My basil is still pretty high and I’m really wanting more turkeys vs deer. I burned about 10 acres of it last February on a cold day. I’ve yet to see any damage but my understanding is it would take time before a tree would die from getting too hot.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:37 pm to geauxbrown
Yeah, bottomland oaks definitely not as fire adapted as upland oaks, but historically, even the "drier" bottoms burned. We used to have extensive canebrakes, and those areas thrived on fire, so bottomlands undoubtedly burned historically.
BUT, fire regimes in those systems are very poorly understood compared to their upland or pine counterparts.
BUT, fire regimes in those systems are very poorly understood compared to their upland or pine counterparts.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 7:45 am to Nodust
Contact LDAF to see if you qualify for subsidies/assistance.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 8:32 am
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