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FWC busts Florida Outfitter for using farm raised domestic turkeys as Osceola hunts…

Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:10 pm
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9401 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:10 pm
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This ranch is actually pretty well known in Florida. Rumors have swirled about some outfitters/ranches using farm raised birds which resemble Osceolas for years. At $3,000 for a 3 day hunt there’s certainly incentive to skirt the rules.

As a public land hunter I’ve always been a bit skeptical as some ranches manage to harvest huge quantities year after year while turkey populations decline across most of the State. Often even at the property immediately adjacent to these ranches.

Anyhow; will be interesting to see how it unfolds. Some ranchers/biologist's in the area are already calling for all the turkeys in the immediate area to be killed because of fears of the domestics interbreeding with the Osceola.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 6:12 pm
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
43874 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:22 pm to
Pen raised birds are a thing for rich city fricktards looking for a hunt to video.

It started in Africa.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
19380 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:28 pm to
No offense scrooster but birds just don’t get my dick hard. I prefer the larger meats.
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9401 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:48 pm to
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Pen raised birds are a thing for rich city fricktards looking for a hunt to video.


I’ll be honest; turkey hunters are a different breed. Especially those willing to pay the money and travel to chase Osceola turkeys. They are largely die hards who I’m guessing are really pissed right now.

First and foremost because they were lied to; and secondly they just found out their turkey isn’t an Osceola at all, and lastly because their Grand Slam probably got erased.

I’m aware of quail, pheasant and other upland birds being farm raised. This is the first time in my memory that it’s been documented as occurring with turkeys.

Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
19380 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 7:00 pm to
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I’ll be honest; turkey hunters are a different breed. Especially those willing to pay the money and travel to chase Osceola turkeys. They are largely die hards who I’m guessing are really pissed right now. First and foremost because they were lied to; and secondly they just found out their turkey isn’t an Osceola at all, and lastly because their Grand Slam probably got erased. I’m aware of quail, pheasant and other upland birds being farm raised. This is the first time in my memory that it’s been documented as occurring with turkeys.


Man I’ve never been on a paid hunt or paid fishing trip in my life. I keep saying I’m going to do it but things keep coming up. I’m more of a figure it out for myself than pay a guide kinda guy.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9229 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 7:15 pm to
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because of fears of the domestics interbreeding with the Osceola.


That ship has already sailed.
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9401 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 7:16 pm to
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Man I’ve never been on a paid hunt or paid fishing trip in my life. I keep saying I’m going to do it but things keep coming up. I’m more of a figure it out for myself than pay a guide kinda


I get it. One of my best hunting buddies is all about drawing permits and hunting public land. He’s got darn good at it and it feels more meaningful for him. He gets more joy from doing it himself; even if he eats tag soup from time to time.

I’ve done several paid hunts. I’m old enough now that by time I reach enough points to get that elusive tag I’ll be too old to do the hunt. So paying the little extra to knock it out while I’m physically able is where I’m at.

Have been blessed with some good luck and have hunted and fished in some amazing places. I’ve watched the sun rise over the African savanna. I’ve heard the Stags roar in Argentina. Carved trails to drop Jon boats into lakes in Northern Saskatchewan which may not have been fished in years.

Having a guide certainly increases your odds of success; but, I also look at it as an opportunity to tap into a deep reservoir of know how. Seasoned guides have forgot more than most know about their quarry. Hunting with pros has made me a better hunter.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 7:18 pm
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9401 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 7:16 pm to
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That ship has already sailed.


I have similar feelings.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27312 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 8:57 pm to
The domestic birds wouldn’t live long enough to breed, or cause a significant shift in genetics
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27312 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:00 pm to
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Pen raised birds for rich city f tards looking for a hunt to video.


Can you expand on this? Are these folks just average hunters or tv personalities?
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9401 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:05 pm to
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The domestic birds wouldn’t live long enough to breed, or cause a significant shift in genetics


Sort of where I’m at; coupled with my belief that true Osceola birds occur much further South. None found North of Orlando.

By that I mean smaller bodies and almost entirely black wings.

The bigger body and narrow wing bar Osceola as espoused by the NWTF exists all the way into Coastal Louisiana IMHO.

To that end, many believe this operation and others have been at it for a decade or more.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 9:07 pm
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