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re: Exotic home defense rounds

Posted on 3/9/21 at 10:03 am to
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 3/9/21 at 10:03 am to
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not sure about your state but in Louisiana you cannot be sued in civil court in a justified homicide.
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No one should listen to this complete nonsense.

Someone has to determine whether a homicide is justified. In a homicide, an attorney can file a wrongful death and intentional tort petition saying it wasn't justified and it's up to the trier of fact to determine whether it was. In the meantime, you'll be paying 300/hr for the next few years with little to no chance of recouping fees.

IANAL

1. Y'all are both right. But keep in mind that your La. permit is good in 3 dozen states. In some jurisdictions (think of George Zimmerman) there could be a gun-hating, politically driven district attorney/state attorney/prosecutor who will use anything in an attempt to convict you criminally. Same could happen in civil actions in places where liberals are likely to dominate the jury pool (like Minneapolis ?).

2. BUT, Louisiana does offer some protection. I haven't seen where these statutes have been tested in a suit, but La. RS 9:2800.10 and 9:2800.19 were written to help protect honest gun owners from being found liable for damages in civil proceedings.

§2800.19. Limitation of liability for use of force in defense of certain crimes

A. A person who uses reasonable and apparently necessary or deadly force or violence for the purpose of preventing a forcible offense against the person or his property in accordance with R.S. 14:19 or 20 is immune from civil action for the use of reasonable and apparently necessary or deadly force or violence.
B. The court shall award reasonable attorney fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses to the defendant in any civil action if the court finds that the defendant is immune from suit in accordance with Subsection A of this Section.



§2800.10. Immunity from liability for injuries sustained while committing a felony offense

A. No person shall be liable for damages for injury, death, or loss sustained by a perpetrator of a felony offense during the commission of the offense or while fleeing the scene of the offense.
B. The provisions of this Section shall apply regardless of whether the injury, death, or loss was caused by an intentional or unintentional act or omission or a condition of property or a building. However, the provisions of this Section shall not apply if injury to or death of a perpetrator results from an intentional act involving the use of excessive force.
C. For purposes of this Section "damages" includes all general and special damages which may be recoverable for personal injury, death, or loss of or damage to property, including those otherwise recoverable in a survival or wrongful death action.


P.S. IANAL and I carry HST

Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 3/9/21 at 10:20 am to
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A self defense shooting is meant to stop the attack; not necessarily to kill the attacker.
This is 1000% correct.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8623 posts
Posted on 3/9/21 at 10:34 am to
Exactly. You spend the next years litigating the issue and then get an uncollectible fee judgment against the family of a criminal on welfare.

Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43535 posts
Posted on 3/9/21 at 10:56 am to
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No one should listen to this complete nonsense.

Someone has to determine whether a homicide is justified. In a homicide, an attorney can file a wrongful death and intentional tort petition saying it wasn't justified and it's up to the trier of fact to determine whether it was. In the meantime, you'll be paying 300/hr for the next few years with little to no chance of recouping fees.


Why didn’t Trayvon’s family do this? They had an army of free representation so why didn’t Zimmerman get sued ?
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:06 pm to
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G2 Research RIP is what I keep in my .40 conceal carry. RIP stands for Radically Invasive Projectile
I presume you are aware that R.I.P. ammo is known for failure to expand and under-penetration -- and for not creating the much-hyped "separate wound channels" (in ballistic gel testing).

eta: had too kurrekt my spelllinng
This post was edited on 3/9/21 at 6:08 pm
Posted by RoIITide
Member since Dec 2010
852 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 7:52 am to
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I carry HST


Same here.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
29189 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:35 am to
As someone who once took about half the pattern from a 12ga with #6 shot (lead), I can say with some certainty that smaller shot sizes are not fatal at longer distances.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43535 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:50 am to
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As someone who once took about half the pattern from a 12ga with #6 shot (lead), I can say with some certainty that smaller shot sizes are not fatal at longer distances.



How far ? I’ve seen someone get shot with 7.5 12ga in the stomach from less than 10 feet and they were disabled immediately but didn’t die.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76290 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 6:35 pm to
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Why didn’t Trayvon’s family do this? They had an army of free representation so why didn’t Zimmerman get sued ?


They sued the HOA. Bc the HOA has money.
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
8246 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 7:29 pm to
Never in the history of home defense, have I heard of a criminal having second thoughts because of what type of bullet was flying at him. Just get some led, and sling it. It’s all effective
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18244 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:01 pm to
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Those extreme penetration rounds would probably tighten somebody's arse up. They're made like a phillip's head screwdriver.


I carry the Underwood ammo with this bullet in my Glock 42. In my opinion the best defensive rd for a 380. These things will absolutely destroy a watermelon.
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