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Decline In Hunters Threatens How U.S. Pays For Conservation
Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:57 am
Interesting article about the decline in hunters and how that is threatening funding for conservation. I didn't realize how big of a percentage conservation funding came from just hunting and fishing activities.
NPR - Decline in Hunters Threathens How U.S. Pays For Conservation
Inb4 NPR is liberal media.
NPR - Decline in Hunters Threathens How U.S. Pays For Conservation
Inb4 NPR is liberal media.
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About 59 percent of conservation funding, or $3.3 billion, comes from hunting- and fishing-related activities.
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A new survey by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service shows that today, only about 5 percent of Americans, 16 years old and older, actually hunt. That's half of what it was 50 years ago and the decline is expected to accelerate over the next decade.
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Nearly a third of all hunters in the U.S. are baby boomers. They hunted like no other generation since. But the oldest Boomers are already aging out of the sport and the youngest, at 54, are only about a decade away from joining them.
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"We need to find ways for the rest of those folks, who are canoeing and cross country skiing and biking and going to the park to contribute as well,"
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Is the greater public willing to pay more to protect wildlife?
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:59 am to ABucks11
These numbers don’t add up where I’m from. Everybody and their mama hunts now
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:00 pm to ABucks11
Watch an episode of North Woods law and it’s easy to see why it’s declining. Some states are so damn restrictive it’s hardly worth the effort.
I am doing everything I can to make sure my three knuckleheads come up hunting and fishing
I am doing everything I can to make sure my three knuckleheads come up hunting and fishing
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:01 pm to ABucks11
I guess the skinny jeans and Antifa crowd are too busy protesting to hunt.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:06 pm to ABucks11
People are getting priced out.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:12 pm to Easternrio
I think the overall population is growing faster than new hunters are being introduced. The article cites percentage of the total population shrinking, not specifically the total number of hunters.
I bet majority of the public doesn't realize that majority of the money for conservation comes from hunters and fishermen and not tree hugging groups.
I bet majority of the public doesn't realize that majority of the money for conservation comes from hunters and fishermen and not tree hugging groups.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:37 pm to ABucks11
Well, I’ve seen lots of posts on other threads complaining about too many hunters these days and how they wish it would go back to “the way it used to be”. You can’t have it both ways so which is it?
Fewer hunters meaning you have to pay more for conservation efforts and have less people voting on topics for it. Or more have more hunters with more funding, people voting to support hunting issues, but your favorite public duck blind might be a bit more crowded than usual.
I know what I would choose....
Fewer hunters meaning you have to pay more for conservation efforts and have less people voting on topics for it. Or more have more hunters with more funding, people voting to support hunting issues, but your favorite public duck blind might be a bit more crowded than usual.
I know what I would choose....
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:47 pm to Texas Gentleman
I think you see more pressure on public land since some hunters are getting priced out of clubs and owning land. "Back in the day" people just hunted the woods behind their house or down the street. Those woods now are clubs, posted, or a shopping center.
It's just interesting that some anit-hunters are hardcore conversationalists and they oppose the group that is doing the most for conservation.
It's just interesting that some anit-hunters are hardcore conversationalists and they oppose the group that is doing the most for conservation.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:47 pm to Texas Gentleman
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Some states are so damn restrictive it’s hardly worth the effort.
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People are getting priced out.
These are 2 of the bigger concerns that I see.
I think there is a culmination of many factors, along with age that is mentioned in the article. Hunting is rapidly becoming a rich man's sport. It truly is pay to play. How many folks do you know are able to go knock on a farmers door and get permission to hunt?
Either the land is already leased, or the farmer does not want to risk the liability of some knuckle-head getting hurt, hurting someone else, or worse killing some of his livestock in the process. Lot of factors.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:55 pm to ABucks11
rising unwed birthrate. What did you expect?
Posted on 3/20/18 at 1:01 pm to ABucks11
I’ll probably get reamed over this. I took a young kid,14-15ish hunting several years ago. He killed a little button buck, first deer. He posted it on fb and many of his friends and even some adults ragged him over it. They were posting pictures of their wall hangers from their “daddy’s” leases. Basically a lot of you have to let those walk BS, he got discouraged and even with me talking to him decided not to hunt again. I’ve seen several situations like that. Hunting isn’t suppose to be bragging rights and done like a hunting show.
It’s hard to pump up a kid about hunting especially on public land not baiting when all his buddy’s are shooting wall hangers on the deer leases and they may go several hunts without seeing anything. When I was coming up many friends hunted public or at least didn’t ridicule someone shooting a small deer
It’s hard to pump up a kid about hunting especially on public land not baiting when all his buddy’s are shooting wall hangers on the deer leases and they may go several hunts without seeing anything. When I was coming up many friends hunted public or at least didn’t ridicule someone shooting a small deer
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:11 pm to ABucks11
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only about 5 percent of Americans, 16 years old and older, actually hunt.
in Mississippi it seems like everybody hunts yet only around 10% of the population there buys a hunting license. Hunters need to start doing a better job of the PR game because we will rely on non hunters who have a positive view of hunting if our hunting rights ever come to a vote.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:36 pm to ABucks11
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It's just interesting that some anti-hunters are hardcore conversationalists and they oppose the group that is doing the most for conservation.
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anti-hunters
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hardcore conservationists
Does not compute. You cannot be an anti-hunter and a conservationist. Being a "conservationist" implies being okay with multiple use of the land. Considering many anti-hunters also tend to have issues with other consumptive uses, I would classify most of them as preservationists.
Still, your point is not missed. I've always found ironic the number of people who oppose hunting, completely missing the fact that hunters put up more money for wildlife conservation than anyone else, simply by buying license and hunting and fishing supplies.
These people always want to point to anti-hunting or non-hunting "conservation" groups who raise more money than DU, NWTF, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, et al., but can't be bothered with the fact that hunters and fishermen generated over a $1 billion for wildlife and fisheries conservation last year through Pittman-Robertson and Dingle-Johnson taxes on hunting and fishing goods.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:58 pm to bayoudude
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Watch an episode of North Woods law and it’s easy to see why it’s declining. Some states are so damn restrictive it’s hardly worth the effort.
I've watched that show and Lone Star Law. Seems like almost all the tickets I've seen written on that show are common sense shite that anyone who hunts/fishes should know. No license, killed something out of season, hunting off roadway, undersized or over the limit, trespassing.
Only thing I find out of the ordinary on those shows is how far they'll go in trying to solve some of these cases when they don't catch the suspect in the act. Has to be for the camera
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:59 pm to ABucks11
I buy a license/management area permit every year even if I don't hunt.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:24 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
There are lots of ways to look at this and as with everything its always a combinations of factors behind these stats.
1. Kids these days have so many options for activities from travel ball to video games. Cant tell you how many kids have said no to my sons offer to come hunt because of 24/7/365 days a year baseball or soccer tourneys.
Back in the day you went to camp with you dad if you wanted to or not, parenting these days is different.
2. Land that was open territory is now developed.
3. What is open is now leased, cannot just go stop on the side of the road and hunt.
4. Too many rules for places you can hunt, cant park on side of hwy to access WMA's or you will get a ticket or other violation. As high school kids we would be arrested now for hunting closed places.
5. Land prices are high pricing many out of the market, yes as even back in the 70's-80's speculation the US would be like Europe someday with all hunting land being private, well we are getting close.
6. Social media and the trophy mentality is a bad combination of instant gratification and keeping up with the Jones. It s a lot easier to book a guided hunt, get your buck, and be on your way to the next fun thing.
On the positive side in my experience there are more big deer are killed now than 30 years ago.
1. Kids these days have so many options for activities from travel ball to video games. Cant tell you how many kids have said no to my sons offer to come hunt because of 24/7/365 days a year baseball or soccer tourneys.
Back in the day you went to camp with you dad if you wanted to or not, parenting these days is different.
2. Land that was open territory is now developed.
3. What is open is now leased, cannot just go stop on the side of the road and hunt.
4. Too many rules for places you can hunt, cant park on side of hwy to access WMA's or you will get a ticket or other violation. As high school kids we would be arrested now for hunting closed places.
5. Land prices are high pricing many out of the market, yes as even back in the 70's-80's speculation the US would be like Europe someday with all hunting land being private, well we are getting close.
6. Social media and the trophy mentality is a bad combination of instant gratification and keeping up with the Jones. It s a lot easier to book a guided hunt, get your buck, and be on your way to the next fun thing.
On the positive side in my experience there are more big deer are killed now than 30 years ago.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 4:04 pm to Manatee
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This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 3/20/18 at 4:18 pm to ABucks11
Conservation groups are making good strides with this administration on implementing changes that will benefit sportsmen and game species, especially in Africa. This is largely due in part to Trump's sons who are sportsmen.
The media and progressive left is dead set against this and this NPR story appears to be a part of the broad campaign against such action. No different than NPR reporting that everyone hates Trumps, it isn't true, but that is the narrative they will set and continue to trumpet until it becomes true.
In the past week I have seen articles about elephant hunting and the proposal to hunt grizzlies in Wyoming, both of which are negatively shaded by the media without regard for the underlying facts.
The media and progressive left is dead set against this and this NPR story appears to be a part of the broad campaign against such action. No different than NPR reporting that everyone hates Trumps, it isn't true, but that is the narrative they will set and continue to trumpet until it becomes true.
In the past week I have seen articles about elephant hunting and the proposal to hunt grizzlies in Wyoming, both of which are negatively shaded by the media without regard for the underlying facts.
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