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re: Backdoor gun control-EPA closing US only lead smelter....
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:06 pm to civiltiger07
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:06 pm to civiltiger07
that's good, but at what rate does recycled lead account for total ammunition?
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also, at what point is this type of government action justifiable?
isn't this just a foot in the door, as is the maimed obamacare bill for a future single-payer plan?
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also, at what point is this type of government action justifiable?
isn't this just a foot in the door, as is the maimed obamacare bill for a future single-payer plan?
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 10:11 pm
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Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:11 pm to MisterSenator
I don't have any percentages, but the proof will be when the ammo supply isn't affected one bit my this. it is an insignificant amount.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 11:20 pm to jeffsdad
There's a lead smelter in Troy, Al. So that part is wrong.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 12:17 am to AU34
the one closing in MO is a primary lead smelter--uses raw ores
all other smelters recycle lead
all other smelters recycle lead
Posted on 12/3/13 at 6:02 am to William Stephenson
So then where are they going to get the lead to recycle? Right now there's plenty, but after this plant's been shut down a few years I would imagine the supply of lead to recycle will decrease, no?
A lot of soft drink companies use recycled cans to hold their beverages, but if we banned any new cans from being made they'd quickly run out of cans to recycle.
A lot of soft drink companies use recycled cans to hold their beverages, but if we banned any new cans from being made they'd quickly run out of cans to recycle.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 6:15 am to civiltiger07
Obama's EPA needs to be gutted.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 6:41 am to AU34
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There's a lead smelter in Troy, Al. So that part is wrong.
Well that's good to hear.
I agree that ammo shouldn't be affected or anything. I just hate the continued outsourcing of work. More regulations = more expenses = fewer employees = dead business
Posted on 12/3/13 at 7:31 am to bapple
Buy bulk bullets now for reloading if you fear there will be a shortage in the future.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 8:51 am to ZacAttack
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The EPA has waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy too much power.
Yea. I'd like to see the math these decisions are based on, if there actually is any.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 8:54 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
No math involved, just emotion.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:03 am to bapple
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I just hate the continued outsourcing of work.
Then buy Remington.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:28 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Then buy Remington.
^ THIS
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:32 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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I just hate the continued outsourcing of work.
Then buy Remington.
Good point
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:47 am to TheDrunkenTigah
I handload my own ammo so I already buy in bulk. My favorite bullet to load is Berry's plated bullets. I use them in 9mm, 40, and 45.
For rifles, it varies. For deer I prefer Barnes TTSX, which is all copper, and for recreation I like bulk Hornady FMJ bullets. That is my preferred .224" bullet.
For rifles, it varies. For deer I prefer Barnes TTSX, which is all copper, and for recreation I like bulk Hornady FMJ bullets. That is my preferred .224" bullet.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:53 am to beulahland
There's got to be some math somewhere.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:58 am to JG77056
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So then where are they going to get the lead to recycle? Right now there's plenty, but after this plant's been shut down a few years I would imagine the supply of lead to recycle will decrease, no?
From the link:
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More than 80 percent of all lead produced in the U.S. is used in either motive batteries to start vehicles, or in stationary batteries for backup power (particular in military, telecom and medical applications). In the U.S., the recycle rate of these batteries is approximately 98 percent, making lead-based batteries the most highly recycled consumer product. These batteries are recycled at secondary lead smelters.
I had no idea the recycle rate for batteries was so high.
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Lead is used in numerous other products, including ammunition and construction materials, as well as to protect against radiation in medical and military applications. While most applications can use secondary lead, those applications that require primary lead will need to import the lead metal in the future. Any additional demand for lead (above that which can be met through recycling at secondary smelters) will also have to be met through imports.
So it looks like imported lead will fill the demand not met by recycled lead.
So there probably won't be shortages, just price increases. That won't stop knuckleheads from panicking and going on another ammo run, though.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 11:13 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I'm still confused about what uses primary lead. I use recycled for radiation protection in the medical industry so I can rule that out. Anyone know what we need primary lead for, besides the obvious, to replinish the non-recycled sources?
Posted on 12/3/13 at 11:19 am to Langston
we have 2 more years of Obama then hopefully Hillory will be nice and leave our guns alone.
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