re: Anyone know much bout H & S race tuners?

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I get tired of the exhaust noise.

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Get a damn muffler

6.4 issues are starting to rear their ugly head...stock...a lot of dealerships are now stocking long blocks for them...the bottom ends aren't holding up and are causing major catastrophes... The 6.0's are turning out to be a better motor than the 6.4

I was(and still am) in a similar boat. I have a '12 F250 that I'd like to get better milage out of, I could care less about making it faster but if I could squeeze 2-3mpg more out of it I'd be happy. Problem was the only way to do that would be a DPF delete, tunes, etc which would have set me back $1500-$2000, hardly justifying the cost for just 2-3mpg more. About 6 months ago Banks came out with a DPF on tuner that I've been watching real close and I think I'll eventually buy it. It's $450, adds up to 150hp at the wheels(on the agressive tune), 2-3mpg bump, doesn't seem to have any additional regens. The guys on the Powerstroke forum I read have been real happy with them so far, no mechanical issues etc. If in a few months the word is still good on them then I'll get one.

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I believe the HS is far less prone to blowing your shite up.

I could be wrong though.

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i could see that being perceived as value for sure.

Perhaps more work required for the H&S, hints it's higher price? Figure in that the H&S tuner probably has programming written in it to fool the DPF sensors as well as the urea injection, while the Banks one does not.

For what it's worth Edge programmers scare the shite out of me, I'd never run one. While Banks get's some shite from the diesel community for his stance on how diesel tuning should be I have no doubt that the man knows his shite. All the guys running the Banks DPF on tuner are reporting that the truck doesn't regen anymore than it did stock and doesn't seem to produce stupid high boost pressures or excessive EGTs.

Like I said if come around December/January I haven't seen/heard of any negative reviews on them I really think I'm going to get one. I just simply can't justify the price of a DPF delete and the accompanying tunes if all I truely want is added milage.


ETA: For what it's worth one of the reviews was from a guy who's tried all the DPF On tuners, Edge, H&S, and Banks, and has said that the Banks is far and away better than the other two.

That little warning that pops up on your dash that says "Cleaning Exhaust Filter". If it does it more than normal then that's usually a sign that the tunes are actually clogging the DPF, which isn't good for the truck. Since they don't seem to regen more often with the Banks tune that's a fairly good sign that the tune is actually fairly clean, which is Banks' calling card to begin with.

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someone explain this regen thing to me like i'm a dummy

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Your truck has a DPF. Pretty much just a (very expensive) sponge in the exhaust that collects soot. As you drive most of the soot is burned off, but some of the other crap isn't and collects. Eventually it builds up to the point that it's restricting exhaust flow as well as hindering the DPF's ability to do it's job. To cook all that crap off, your exhaust needs to get hotter. To do this it fuels itself differently, revs up a little higher, and puts fuel into the exhaust stream to raise the temperature a whole lot. Of course, this is using extra fuel.