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Any OBers know how to do a circuit design plan

Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5549 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:08 pm
Probably a dumb question, I'm sure half the board knows how.

I've started finishing my basement and I've got it just about all framed in. The next step will be doing the electrical rough in. I intend on running the wires myself but I'm not even going to attempt hooking anything up. I figure doing the runs will save me a lot in labor.

Are there any tools out there I can use to lay this out?
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30736 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:32 pm to
This is a loaded question.

You need to get the electrician out there. Get a quote and then ask if you can complete any portion of the job to save money.

A mom/pop shop would probably be your best bet.
Posted by SCwTiger
armpit of 'merica
Member since Aug 2014
5857 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:36 pm to
You could possibly save a little money by running the legs to the lights from the switches that will control them, and outlets can be fed from the closest switch boxes. I'd let an electrician run the feeders from the breaker to the switches, and then connect it all.

Get in touch with an electrician and tell him what you're doing and that you'll get him to hook it all up. He'll point you in the right direction.
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
12735 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:49 pm to
What is the layout of the basement, and how many lights/switches/outlets are you doing?
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5549 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:04 pm to
Here is my super awesome paint add in of where I think we want lights and outlets. Haven't added switches yet.

Red circles = recessed lights
Red star = ceiling fan
Red square = vanity light
Green square = outlet
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
12735 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:16 pm to
If you're using LED bulbs, you can easily run the 8 can lights to the right on one switch. I have 5 plus a flush mount light on one switch that I think was rated for 600W. You may want a 3-way since that is a big room.

You can do one switch in the bathroom, and another in what I'm guessing is a kitchen/bar space as well. Is there going to be a dishwasher and disposal too? Usually dishwashers are hardwired, and disposals plug in, so take that into consideration as well.

I've always liked fans to have a dedicated switch separate from other lights in a room. So a double switch box by the stairs for that fan and those lights. And a double switch near the kitchen area for those lights and that fan. Are you going to have an exhaust fan in the bath? May need one and another switch for it as well.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30736 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:22 pm to
Well you are way ahead of where I thought you were.

I'd still get with an electrician first if you are planning to use one and work with them.

When we replaced our air handler I got with the mechanical guy. He told me what I could do to help out and it saved me about $1000. Basically, did all the grunt work, decked some of the attic to make it easier.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5549 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:23 pm to
I'd like the 4 against the top wall and the 2 against the outside wall (right) on a switch, the 2 in front of the bottom wall (TV wall) on a switch, and the ceiling fan on one.

The rest of the can lights can be on one switch with the fan over the bar on a separate switch as well.

The kitchen/bar area is going to just be a bar with a fridge and sink. A couple of plugs around the sink for whatever, I believe those need to be GFI. and 2 under the bar for a small wine fridge and whatever else.

ETA: I may draw it out tonight with what I think my runs will be and post it. I have an electrician that lives in my neighborhood that I plan to use. I'm going to get him to look everything over. I just like to plan shite out as much as I can.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted by The Rodfather
I'm not really sure?
Member since Nov 2008
3941 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:36 pm to
You want to at least get a quote from a real electrician. Your savings are relative. He is going to save on wire, boxes, receptacles, lights, switches,... And while you will "save" on labor each individual electrician is going to perform at about 3x's your speed with 2-3 in the crew. They will be done WAY faster than you. What will likely take you a week+, they will finish in 1-2 days and make your other contractors much happier. Drywall will go smoother, trim carpenters will have a better time frame for scheduling...Not to mention meeting codes and the inspections will be passed the first go around (depending on the contractor, his reputation, and his connections the inspector may do a "stay in his truck" inspection), with less likelihood of your house burning to the ground.

Just make sure he knows you are going out for pricing so you get a good honest price from 3-4 guys. If you had prior knowledge (understood codes, wire sizing, loads,..) and some buddies with like knowledge, I would say 100% go for it. BUT, I would not fumble through with it on a project this size (not that it is a large project by any means) that is connected to your residence.

Try your hand at it on a shed or workshop in your yard, leave your house to professionals if it is your first go around.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45802 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

I've started finishing my basement


What is a basement?
Posted by The Rodfather
I'm not really sure?
Member since Nov 2008
3941 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

ETA: I may draw it out tonight with what I think my runs will be and post it. I have an electrician that lives in my neighborhood that I plan to use. I'm going to get him to look everything over. I just like to plan shite out as much as I can.


Game changer. See if he will let you "work on his crew", so that you get all his benefits (material savings, knowledge, lack of burn your house downness), but save on whatever additional labor he would have to pay for the home. If he is a larger business (not just an electrician that works for someone else, but a business owner) he may not let you anywhere near it for insurance and liability reasons though.

If he is an industrial electrician, I can say with confidence it will take him a lot longer than a residential contractor and he is paid at least 1.4x's more than the foreman of a residential outfit. I'm not saying that industrial guys are competent (they are more than competent to do the work, hell I know a pile of them that did their homes and friends homes) it is just that what they are use to working with is not that same and therefore they aren't typically as efficient with this scale project and up. You won't see much difference in timeframe on onesy twosy things but full "apartment" wiring you will notice.

Just my experience. I work with electricians daily and have built and assisted on building homes.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5549 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:55 pm to
Thanks for the advice, I think no matter how much planning I do I'm going to at least get some opinions and quotes on everything. Either way I was going to have to have a subpanel put in so I was going to hire someone to make sure everything was good and hook it all up.

I'm doing everything else myself so if the work isn't top tier I'll only piss myself off later in the process.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5549 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

What is a basement?


I guess in LA that's a swimming pool?
Posted by The Rodfather
I'm not really sure?
Member since Nov 2008
3941 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:35 pm to
quote:

I'm doing everything else myself so if the work isn't top tier I'll only piss myself off later in the process.


Don't forget the wife, she won't let you forget. I absolutely hate running into a snag on a project at or in my house, because I'm going to hear about it. Whether it is because I stayed up too late to fix it (and she couldn't sleep because of it) or because "there is a hole in the wall, I thought you said you would be done by now"
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:38 pm to
quote:

finishing my basement

Not sure where you are or the codes in your area, but in some areas they are mandating UF below flood grade. Good luck.
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5525 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:44 pm to
Get an electrician, you aren't going to save that much and there are codes that need to be followed.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34377 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:47 pm to
I may be wrong but I think your savings will be marginal. Doesn't take long to pull wires-especially in a new build.

In fact it could cost you if you mess it up.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 7:49 pm
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
3253 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:58 pm to
Try calling an electrician oit., Then offering to let him do the work on the side.

Worst he can say is no.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 8:00 pm
Posted by Maytheporkbewithyou
Member since Aug 2016
12604 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:57 pm to
Do you have anything major you're going to be plugging in in the basement? Make sure you can pull the extra amps before you do it. If you only have a 100 amp service then you may have problems. If it's a newer home with over 2,000 sf then you probably have a 200 amp service.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5549 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:15 pm to
It's a daylight basement just south of Birmingham definitely not a flood risk.

House including basement and garage is just south of 5k sqft so I assume it's a 200 amp service. The only major thing is a fridge but we already have a deep freezer plugged in there and a fridge in the garage. We're bringing the fridge in the basement and putting the deep freezer in the garage.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 9:18 pm
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