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re: Admitted shameless last ditch effort for this thread.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 7:31 am to Bleeding purple
Posted on 5/8/13 at 7:31 am to Bleeding purple
My two cents, BP: I support your suggestions. When I was a kid, I believed what was written in the newspaper more than what I saw on the early days of television news because I believed that if something was WRITTEN, it was true. Yeah, blissful naivety of youth. I had this vague idea or notion of slander or libel, although I didn't understand fully the concept of either. I just confused free speech on the television with written words on the newspaper. Follow the money is my mantra. The media reports in such a way to support the beliefs of their major advertisers and financial supporters and their owners. I also believe there is significant pressure, call it blackmail if you wish, on the media from the politicians in power who make sure the media reports in a way that is favorable to those in power. Sometimes egregious acts become so widely known that the media has no choice but to ignore those politicians' threats (Remember Watergate?). I do not know what is being taught in Journalism school now, but I feel confident that integrity, honesty, and respect are no longer part of the curriculum. I no longer believe completely ANYTHING I read in the newsprint and very little of the "news" that is filtered and spoon fed to all of us via the networks. I only believe what I actually see and witness myself, but even then, I can't be 100% certain of what I am witnessing. I thought I saw a pond of water across the road yesterday, but it was only a mirage.
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Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:11 am to jorconalx
their desperation to be first leads to reporting anything with few facts. with the 24 hour news cycle, TV/Radio/internet all competing faster, it is hard for print to keep up.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:37 am to Mung
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It could take days, if not weeks, to learn that info, if ever. The media is not going to hold a story
I am not suggesting that they hold a story. I am suggesting that some degree of oversight is given to the content presented as fact in the story they do run.
When I see a patient with apparent TB I put them in resp isolation, start meds, and run labs all while I wait on the fungal lung culture to tell me they truly have TB. Waiting to intervene is not an option. However, recklessly diagnosing TB for every cough would increase costs and patient risks. Run the story just make every effort to do so correctly. Then stand by that story and be accountable for your actions, just as I have to be with my patients.
It is not a novel concept.
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one small group's demands for extra info.
Is only one group interested in the truth? I have always felt at least a portion of those with differing opinions were simply ignorant and holding on to incorrect information as truths. Hopefully it is not a universal acknowledgment of deceit or a purposeful avoidance of the truth.
And to clarify, each of the line items I suggested had the option of entering and answer of unknown. Thus, this is not merely a request for more information but a suggestion to reduce the misinformation. If done correctly, I would predict that there would be a total decrease in given information concerning individual events.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:38 am to Bleeding purple
Short Hijack...BP, you still interested in the lower? If so just email me, if not no problem 
.....carry on.
.....carry on.Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:39 am to Bleeding purple
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All media sources should be required to report the following in stories about shootings in similar outline form at the start of the article/story.
Shooter: name, age, citizenship/unknown
Previous criminal record: yes/no/unknown
Gun obtained legally: yes/no/unknown
Gun used: make and model/unknown
Type of gun: rifle/handgun/shotgun/ unknown
Fire selection: single, semi auto, auto/unknown
Shooting prevented/ended by: legally armed citizen, illegally armed citizen, armed LEO, unarmed individual/unknown
I think asking modern journalist to actually do their job is asking a little too much.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:43 am to DrTyger
Similar to asking agency ER docs the same. 
Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:47 am to Bleeding purple
if you don't like locums tenens docs, then work the extra shifts. somebody has to do it. I always thought the concept of putting a guy on from Friday at 7pm, thru Monday at 7am was begging for a problem.
Medicne and media are not the same. Errors are common and expected in media, because they do not cause the same level of harm as errors in medicine.
Medicne and media are not the same. Errors are common and expected in media, because they do not cause the same level of harm as errors in medicine.
This post was edited on 5/8/13 at 9:50 am
Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:52 am to Mung
:kige:
Not exactly a fair comparison.
But if I get consulted one more time to manage a chest painer with no labs started I'm gonna cut a bitch.
Not exactly a fair comparison.
But if I get consulted one more time to manage a chest painer with no labs started I'm gonna cut a bitch.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:54 am to Mung
Your hostility is amusing.
Considering I put in 70-80 hrs per week now, ther are no more hours in the week for me to work, Hoss. Or at least there is no more of me to work those hours. Trust me I am doing WAY more than the average FP.
And it is not the locum tenens docs as a whole but the individual misfits that tend to migrate to that type of work who sadly have major deficencies in their care capabilities. To put it as simple as I can make it: I dislike lazy incompetent and careless people in general and I abhore them when they cause undo harm to patients.
Considering I put in 70-80 hrs per week now, ther are no more hours in the week for me to work, Hoss. Or at least there is no more of me to work those hours. Trust me I am doing WAY more than the average FP.
And it is not the locum tenens docs as a whole but the individual misfits that tend to migrate to that type of work who sadly have major deficencies in their care capabilities. To put it as simple as I can make it: I dislike lazy incompetent and careless people in general and I abhore them when they cause undo harm to patients.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 10:03 am to Mung
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Medicne and media are not the same.
Oh I agree, I was just commenting on incompentent persons in particular.
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Errors are common and expected in media, because they have an agenda and little to no regulation on the garbage they produce other than profit margin
Posted on 5/8/13 at 5:37 pm to Bleeding purple
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Shooter: name, age, citizenship/unknown
Previous criminal record: yes/no/unknown
Gun obtained legally: yes/no/unknown
Gun used: make and model/unknown
Type of gun: rifle/handgun/shotgun/ unknown
Fire selection: single, semi auto, auto/unknown
Shooting prevented/ended by: legally armed citizen, illegally armed citizen, armed LEO, unarmed individual/unknown
Shooter's Race
I agree with your suggestion -- after one minor edit.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 9:10 pm to Bleeding purple
Not hostile, I just rep some of those guys. They get thrown under the bus by the locals anytime there is a problem. Many are quite good, they just are picking up some extra shifts for whatever reason, maybe to help put a kid thru college.
As to the media's profit motive, it isn't the reporters, but the companies that own the paper with that. Gannet has ruined many a newspaper. If you don't like what they write, just stick with letting FoxNews tell you how to think.
As to the media's profit motive, it isn't the reporters, but the companies that own the paper with that. Gannet has ruined many a newspaper. If you don't like what they write, just stick with letting FoxNews tell you how to think.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 9:56 pm to Mung
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Many are quite good,
Those are not the ones I was talking about. In fact, I occasionally work the ER for a little extra money. There is another group of docs who never really fit in with others, could not cut it in private practice, and do nothing but travel ER shifts. Some of the mismanagement is often astounding.
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Not hostile
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just stick with letting FoxNews tell you how to think.
hmmm.... unsubstantiated implication and personal attacks on those with differing opinion. That seems strikingly familiar to the subject of the thread.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 7:00 am to Bleeding purple
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Shooter: name, age, citizenship/unknown
Previous criminal record: yes/no/unknown
Gun obtained legally: yes/no/unknown
Gun used: make and model/unknown
Type of gun: rifle/handgun/shotgun/ unknown
Fire selection: single, semi auto, auto/unknown
Shooting prevented/ended by: legally armed citizen, illegally armed citizen, armed LEO, unarmed individual/unknown
Well, let's follow your directive. How long would reporters have had to wait to report the Newtown shootings, if your info was required first? Lanza had his brother's ID, used his mother's guns; the only two people who knew all this info were dead. Only people who could actually get your info are cops. Let's just wait a week for the police to tell us before reporting, as the 2nd Amendment trumps the First. Even better, relying on the government to give you the info. Those guys are always truthful.
This post was edited on 5/10/13 at 7:07 am
Posted on 5/10/13 at 2:24 pm to Mung
They would only need to wait as long as it takes to type the article.
Each answer would be : unknown (as I outlined in the OP)
The goal is not to impeed or restrict speech or the disimination of information . The goal is to reduce the volumous misinformation that is seemingly intentionally released.
Each answer would be : unknown (as I outlined in the OP)
The goal is not to impeed or restrict speech or the disimination of information . The goal is to reduce the volumous misinformation that is seemingly intentionally released.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 2:27 pm to Mung
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the 2nd Amendment trumps the First. E
You keep trying to imply I hold beliefs that I have not stated or discussed. Why?
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:46 pm to Bleeding purple
i have a problem with generalizing. then i get pissed when others do it. ironic.
My bad, and my apologies. I'll buy you a cold beer should we meet IRL.
My bad, and my apologies. I'll buy you a cold beer should we meet IRL.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:18 pm to Mung
Cold beer aint never a bad thing.
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