re: 22 Creedmoor

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Using varmint cartridges to shoot deer is asinine. That includes the 243. Every time someone brings a bad personal experience the foolishness starts. It's not an if but when it will bite you. The baby gun crowd acts like all the bigger cartridges were developed for no reason. Get out of here with that crap.

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So you telling me an 80gr Barnes TTSX through the vitals of a whitetail is but a scratch? Gtfo. It's shot placement. That's all it is. Even if you use a FMJ a shot in the vitals is dead. A 243 has killed more deer than most cartridges and still kills them today.

You don't need a 300WM to kill a deer. My brothers 3 kids all killed their first with a 223. I guess they should have listened to you and used a bigger cartridge so it could be more dead.

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You don't need a 300WM to kill a deer

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NEED? No. The extra horsepower is nice as long as you can make it land where it needs to. The small bore blood trails can be abysmal sometimes and thats largely a deal breaker for me. I shoot them with a .338 so I dont concern myself with such things.

But, I am hunting with a .223 this year

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They are niche big game cartridges, where the older small bore stuff (.22-250, .220 swift, .223, .243, .260
etc) are all varmint cartridges or generally poor big game cartridges with slow twist barrels for sending lightweight bullets as fast as possible.

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Ouch Don't tell my 260 Remington XP handgun it's a varmint cartridge or generally poor big game cartridge. I've killed 7 deer w/ it using120 gr bullets and one w/ a 100 gr TTSX bullet. I don't know if I've ever disagreed w/ you before, but I'm compelled to this time while defending my 260 Remington.

With a suppressor, you can now shoot a lot of gun and not have the recoil.

I ALMOST left that one off, but its definitely a victim of wrong twist syndrome in factory rifles.

I imagine you generally get better penetration and less fragmentation at pistol speeds vs rifles? Whats the muzzle velocity on that goofy thing?

Its going to be my kids/wife rifle and I need to test it out on some animals. An AR with a supressor is going to be excellent for them as long as i can convince myself the terminal performance is acceptable.

It sure is nicer to tote around a 16" AR instead of a 26" chunk of field artillery.

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Whats the muzzle velocity on that goofy thing?

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My 260 is one of my favorite deer hunting guns and now you're hurting its feelings. Using Athlon chronograph, I get 2600-2700 fps w/ 120 gr bullets and 2900 fps w/ 100 gr bullet. I've never retrieved a bullet.

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just cautious w/ 22 caliber guns for deer hunting even w/ appropriate bullets

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Im going to try the heavy match bullet thing that the western dudes are all giddy about, kinda. They like 77 gr TMKs the most and im trying 73 eldms because thats what I had and they like as well.

Im very skeptical about it, but im being open minded. If it goes poorly id rather it happen to me than my kid. Those dudes are killing elk at 600 yards with them though so I'll give it a try.

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They like 77 gr TMKs the most and im trying 73 eldms because thats what I had and they like as well.

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I shot a coyote with 68gr Hornady match out of my AR (.223) last year at right at 175yds. They left a fist size hole on the back side. It was impressive.

“So if you made a great shot with a 243 and can't find it, ”

But in the age of suppressors, why limit yourself to a .243 or less? Even a kid can shoot a 300 mag with a suppressor.