re: 1911 purchase/ Glock safety discussion

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So, do you find a Sig Sauer unsafe? After all they do not have external safeties.

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Huh? I know they have no safety. Many handguns have no safety. Glock was mentioned initially.

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so what's the difference between a Glock and a Sig?

In your opinion.

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A Sig? Which model? I really don't understand what you're looking for.

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Trigger safety is one of the main reasons I prefer Glocks to 1911's for carry. If I have to use this thing to save my life, I don't want to have to fiddle with safetys, hammers, dildos, DNA, Retina scans etc. I want to pull it out, and pull the trigger, and know without any doubt that it will go boom every time I pull it.

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Very good reason.

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Trigger safety is one of the main reasons I prefer Glocks to 1911's for carry. If I have to use this thing to save my life, I don't want to have to fiddle with safetys, hammers, dildos, DNA, Retina scans etc. I want to pull it out, and pull the trigger, and know without any doubt that it will go boom every time I pull it.

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FWIW, its very simple to train with a thumb safety. If you train your muscles to disengage it while drawing your weapon you'll never have a problem. I practice this routine with snap caps on a weekly basis without any problems or hangups.

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but I think what he is referring to is in a life and death situation the quarter second it might take to disengage a safety could be the difference between walking away or being carried away.

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I understand where he is coming from and it probably works best for him. I dont think any time is lost or gained if you disengage while drawing.

eta: I'm not saying one is better than the other, just personal preference

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A Sig? Which model? I really don't understand what you're looking for.

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How hard is it to figure out? You downplay the glock because it doesn't have an external safety. Neither of my Sig P226s have external safeties.

Would you not buy a Sig P226 because it doesn't have an external safety?

P226 doesn't have an external safety, nor does a P229, P220

I got the Springfield XDM compact for my carry. I wanted something with more safety features than a glock but I don't want to have to flip a safety switch to start firing.


Yeah DrTyger I saw you commented on it already so I took mine down.

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Here I thought it was : In firearms, a safety or safety catch is a mechanism used to help prevent the accidental discharge of a firearm, helping to ensure safer handling

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You make it sound like the only accidental discharge a safety is useful for is if it falls.

That is not the only way to accidentally discharge it.


Too many people are saying if you don't pull the trigger it doesn't shoot, only a moron would have an accident with a glock. Another person could also say that if you don't drop it it won't discharge, only a moron would drop a gun.


Different tools for different jobs really imo. If I want to leave a gun hidden outside of my safe it will not be a glock, it will be something with a ext safety. If I want something to carry in myself or in my car it will not have an ext safety.

You are trying to tell me that an external safety is inherently safer than internal safeties? Here is why you are wrong.

Much like the internal safety on a Glock relies on someone not sticking their finger in the trigger guard then having a seizure (accidental trigger pull, BS term but I'll use it for the sake of argument), an external safety relies on it's user to engage it. So, if we are talking about accidental discharges where a gun is dropped/smacked/etc. the internal safeties are inherently safer because they are automatically engaged and do not rely on the user to engage them. Say you are in the act of firing your pistol and due to the kick from the gun you accidentally drop it. Glock is automatically safe due to internal safeties and will not discharge on impact with the ground, guns that rely solely on an external safety could discharge on impact and kill the person next to you. Therefore, when it comes to a sudden impact exerted on a firearm internal safeties are better because they are always on.

Now, lets talk about a gun in a childs or dumbasses hands. If you have negligent people around, including yourself, firearms should not be accessible to them. regardless of where your safety is located it is easily disengaged by the person handling it. Therefore, no loaded gun is safer than any other loaded gun in the wrong hands, including your own.

As for your arguments earlier (elevator doors, microwaves, table saws, etc.) You are talking about Operant Conditioning. I will stick my arm in an elevator door to keep it from closing because I know that will make it open again. Oppositely, I will not stick my hand on a hot stove to see if it is hot. I will open the microwave when I feel like my Hot Pockets are done because I know that will turn it off, I will not rub my finger along the blade of a knife to see if it is sharp. As for the table saw you are 100% correct. You do not need the guard and if you cut your finger off cutting something it is simply because you were being lazy when it came to safety.

While on the topic of internal safeties not being safeties, allow me to mention the H&K P7. Undisputedly one of the safest guns ever made, as per the contract terms it was commissioned under. It works as a squeeze cocker, meaning once the gun is gripped it is ready to go bang.



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P7 is probably my next firearm.