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re: Italian boxer gives up against “questionably gendered” Algerian boxer

Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:43 pm to
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35072 posts
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:43 pm to
-Looks like dude
-Has XY chromosomes
-Made an Olympic female boxer quit because of how hard they punched
-Banned by the IBF for being a man

TD sports board :
It’s a girl!

Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
10968 posts
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

TD sports board :
It’s a girl!



They are just trying to soften the blow to move the window even further and further in the future.

Attempting to obfuscate the issue using made up narratives of possible unconfirmed "reported" extremely rare {2 in just these Olympics apparently) conditions to justify women getting beat by non-women.
This post was edited on 8/2/24 at 9:56 pm
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35072 posts
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:59 pm to
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Attempting to obfuscate the issue using made up narratives of possible unconfirmed "reported" extremely rare {2 in just these Olympics apparently) conditions to justify women getting beat by non-women.


“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
Member since Jan 2007
71355 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 10:10 am to
Leave it to Muzzies to take advantage of the women. Who knew.
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
32448 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 10:52 am to
The man moves on to the semi finals
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”



Lol god you morons have had your brains so thoroughly broken it is amazing.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42332 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 2:50 pm to
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Lol god you morons have had your brains so thoroughly broken it is amazing.


Does your girlfriend have XY chromosomes?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 3:51 pm to
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Does your girlfriend have XY chromosomes?



If she had a condition like 46 XY PAIS, CAIS, MAIS, or any other DSD, I would certainly treat her better than you losers are treating a person who has a disorder which they cannot control. Like I said, most of you have had your brains completely broken by things which you barely understand nor will affect you. It's a strange way of operating in the world.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
169038 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 3:53 pm to
Watching plant baws argue with you over this stuff is always great entertainment.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 4:02 pm to
Yeah I'm not sure why they do. It's hard to return to pre-2020 standards of niceness. Only for the soccer board I guess.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 4:16 pm to
This one is definitely throwing people in a tizzy

This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 4:19 pm
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 4:36 pm to
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most of you have had your brains completely broken by things which you barely understand nor will affect you.


Every time I see you on this site, you are berating other people, but then tell them that they are the ones that are broken.

These conditions you list out give a feminine appearance and this boxer looks like a dude and had high T levels before. Something is not making sense with this boxer and I think we are all being lied to. It was said that it's Swyer Syndrome but that is not accompanied by high T levels but is accompanied by feminine appearance. The boxer has had high T levels and looks like a dude. So, right off the bat, we're getting lied to by someone. If you want to stick your neck out for that, so be it, but it doesn't seem like a smart thing to do.

There are only three ways this happens: it's a dude, or it's CAIS and claiming CAIS is a she is dubious because it's been found that the sensitivity of the androgen receptor varies in that condition. So, in the presence of T, you could get masculinization to some degree and any degree makes one ineligible to compete with women. Or, it's Swyer with doping. This boxer is either a man or a doped woman (doped through PED or via CAIS), and either way, should not be competing against women.

The high T levels alone are supposed to result in a long term ban.

Somewhere and somehow we are all being lied to about this boxer.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
16559 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 4:46 pm to
quote:

Somewhere and somehow we are all being lied to about this boxer.


This whole situation is a mess. She beat some Russian boxer and the IBA is basically Russian organization now, so they got all butt hurt and decided to ban her. IOC stripped IBA of being the controlling org and reinstated her. All we know is they are saying she isn’t trans, everything else is up for debate.

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had high T levels before


How do you Khelif's T levels? IBA never tested the T levels and has said as such.

LINK
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 5:02 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 5:00 pm to
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These conditions you list out give a feminine appearance and this boxer looks like a dude and had high T levels before.


Do you know why I berate people? Because they say things like this. You 100% don't know what you are talking about, and then are talking to me as though I don't. Sorry brother, we aren't the same.

quote:

Something is not making sense with this boxer and I think we are all being lied to.


It might just be above your ability to understand and that's okay.

quote:

There are only three ways this happens: it's a dude, or it's CAIS and claiming CAIS is a she is dubious because it's been found that the sensitivity of the androgen receptor varies in that condition.


With androgen insensitivity, you are going to get high levels of testosterone, high levels of estrogen and high levels of luteinizing hormone. As I said here, with androgen insensitivity syndrome, along with other syndromes of androgen dysgenesis, you are going to get a spectrum of presentations because you are going to get a tissue dependent result because of the specific mutation location. The androgens interface directly with nuclear receptors to modulate genetic transcription. Hence why we name it along a spectrum, as in complete, partial, and mild.

There are 25 or so possible differentials, and among two of those differentials, there are 14 distinct subtypes. This is assuming that the information that she is indeed 46 XY is accurate, which I haven't seen confirmed.

quote:

Somewhere and somehow we are all being lied to about this boxer.



Sure dude. Whatever you say.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 5:06 pm to
Was she born with women parts?
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
16559 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

Was she born with women parts?


Everyone is saying including the IBA says that she isn't trans. They just said she failed some unknown gender test. So maybe something like swyers where she has women parts, but may have XY chromesomes. Nothing definitive has been released about what she failed, they said they didn't test T though. The Russian IBA banned her. IBA got removed as the controlling body for boxing because they made a lot of other decisions that were really stupid and the IOC took over and reinstated her.
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 5:16 pm
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
30216 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 5:18 pm to
quote:

Do you know why I berate people?


Because you are an a-hole. Don’t pretend otherwise.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 5:34 pm to
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So maybe something like swyers where she has women parts, but may have XY chromesomes.

Born with women’s parts?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35072 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 5:59 pm to
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Lol god you morons have had your brains so thoroughly broken it is amazing


The irony of calling someone else “broken” when this is your reaction to a common quote from an important work of 20th century literature is too rich.



Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

The irony of calling someone else “broken” when this is your reaction to a common quote from an important work of 20th century literature is too rich.



Yeah, dude, using that quote in this context is ridiculous and stupid. Go read something else by Orwell too. You morons do him an injustice by quoting him relentlessly for the most benign of inconveniences.
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