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re: Possible good news about the plumes

Posted on 6/8/10 at 4:14 pm to
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/8/10 at 4:14 pm to
CptBengal,

I don't know much about the gulf dead zones (other than seeing their effects on oceanographic sensors throughout the gulf), but we were talking at work the other day about the possibility of this expanding the dead zones as the bacteria eat the oil..

basically, bacteria finds a suddenly abundant food supply and reproduces, so lots of bacteria eats the food, and all of the bacteria uses oxygen, so dissolved oxygen numbers plummet and create a dead zone.

Is this a realistic course of events, or are we completely off base here? I've gotta admit that I don't know much about undersea biology.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 6/8/10 at 4:14 pm to
You see this today mud....from NOAA.

LINK
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 6/8/10 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

Is this a realistic course of events,


Yep from everything I understand, and the volume of oil could radically increase the population. But I don't work on the microbial loop and would not be the best person to ask about the changes to the microbial loop because of this.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/8/10 at 4:17 pm to
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Lemme read again, oh yea, that study was made by the Gubament.................

How do ya think its gonna read....
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34166 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 4:22 pm to
Thanks for the info, I did not see that and will read it tonight!

Bay, google pelican cruise oil plume and you should find the info you are looking for. Although that cruise did not find any oil plumes per say it was the first to bring it to americas attention. Various scientists and experts from 3 different universities were on the cruise and all are scientists who are well published regarding hypoxia events in the Gulf. They talked about the possibility of a very large hypoxic zone as a result of the plumes and subsequent fish kills.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 4:23 pm to
"While this data set does not conclusively demonstrate that hydrocarbons found in waters collected from
northeast and southwest of the Deepwater Horizon MC 252 well site are derived from a specific source,
it does demonstrate that the concentrations of hydrocarbons in these waters are generally low. These
data further indicate that concentrations of TPH and PAH16 from waters collected from stations 152 n.
miles southeast of the wellhead and from stations 40 and 42 n. miles northeast of the wellhead are not
substantially different."

This sure as hell indicates the dispersants are working. WOW!

Eat up little microbe buddies, EAT UP!!!
Posted by CrazyTigerFan
Osaka
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/8/10 at 6:22 pm to
Remember, too, that it's not just the oil that the aquatic life is taking on, but the dispersant as well. When other organisms in the food web ingest organisms that contain the oil and dispersant, they will be taking those chemicals into themselves as well, and so on up the chain.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 6:55 pm to
quote:


Bay, google pelican cruise oil plume and you should find the info you are looking for. Although that cruise did not find any oil plumes per say it was the first to bring it to americas attention. Various scientists and experts from 3 different universities were on the cruise and all are scientists who are well published regarding hypoxia events in the Gulf. They talked about the possibility of a very large hypoxic zone as a result of the plumes and subsequent fish kills.



Data from that cruise was the reason we were having the discussion at work. One of my coworkers knew someone on the cruise.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34166 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 7:14 pm to

LINK

At the same time, scientists have begun measuring the vast quantities of oil hidden to the human eye. Vernon Asper, an oceanographer and marine professor at the University of Southern Mississippi, was part of a group that landed at Cocodrie, La., on Sunday, after completing a two-week research trip in the gulf. Asper said they documented plumes of oil 2,000 to 6,000 feet below the water's surface, covering an area 4 miles wide and 15 miles long.

Bacteria in the water naturally break down oil, but that process sucks up large amounts of oxygen. Such a scenario could cause dead zones similar to a seasonal one caused by nitrogen-rich runoff down the Mississippi River.

"We're concerned about that, because everything that lives down there at these depths in the water needs oxygen, so if you use up all the oxygen they're going to be impacted," said Ralph Portier, an environmental science professor at Louisiana State University.

Portier said he also feared that the deep oil plumes could emerge years or even decades from now, potentially threatening coastlines for generations.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
32789 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 7:51 pm to
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Well, you're obviously way fricking smarter than I am, so I'll just let you win this one.




to you for being level-headed.
Posted by Tigerguyinexile
Member since Oct 2009
470 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:39 pm to
In plain English?
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34166 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 9:47 pm to
Ed Overton from LSU and several other scientists from around the country were on as well discussing the oil plumes.

Posted by MC123
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 6/9/10 at 12:08 am to
Wow I just read the beginning of this thread and cptbengal straight up made tigerfred, mylsuhat, and tigerbaitn08 look like complete idiots in this thread. Those 3 happen to be the biggest BP apologists, and blow this off as no big deal posters on the oil board.

AWESOME. Thank you for confirming my suspicions.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 6/9/10 at 9:56 am to
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AWESOME. Thank you for confirming my suspicions.



Reality is a bitch.
Posted by TigerFred
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 6/9/10 at 10:00 am to
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Wow I just read the beginning of this thread and cptbengal straight up made tigerfred, mylsuhat, and tigerbaitn08 look like complete idiots in this thread. Those 3 happen to be the biggest BP apologists, and blow this off as no big deal posters on the oil board.


Link?

Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49516 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 10:04 am to
quote:

Those 3 happen to be the biggest BP apologists

we never said anything about BP being in the clear or not at fault, we are realist that have a WAY better understanding of what is going on and dont believe everything that someone with a Mass Comm degree is claiming gospel
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27678 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 10:07 am to
The doom and gloomers around here run and won't respond after facts are presented.

I have never apologized for BP.

As an admin here I have also let everyone express their opinions and haven't banned one person for posts that have been made on this particular board. I have tried to keep the board civil from both sides. Many can tell you that I have gave them a warning about things posted without links or copy and paste posts.
This post was edited on 6/9/10 at 10:10 am
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49516 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 10:10 am to
quote:

The doom and gloomers around here run and won't respond after facts are presented

THIS x1389310234




quote:

As an admin here

any news on my american flag request?
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27678 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 10:13 am to
quote:

any news on my american flag request?


It is on the top of the list of things to do. Chick is busy with a few things at the moment.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49516 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 10:15 am to
thats good news to hear



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