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Future regs as a result of this catastrophe

Posted on 6/3/10 at 9:50 pm
Posted by BenHOGan
Kansas City
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 6/3/10 at 9:50 pm
What sort of future safeguards will be put in place to keep the next BP Oil Spill from happening just like this one? Obviously, there were regs in place when this took place - BOP's with multiple redundancies built in that failed.

If the relief well is the only true way to get things shored up, I just wonder if future deep water drilling will require simultaneous drilling of a relief well that stops several meters from completion, so that if this kind of catastrophe ever happens again, all they have to do is punch thru with the last few meters of the relief well and stop the leak. Naturally, that would drive the cost of drilling new wells way up, but I would think that is cheaper than what BP is going to end up paying when this is all said and done.

What else will come out of this regulation wise?
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
Member since Nov 2006
17347 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 9:53 pm to
i believe we are the only country that doesn't require our offshore rigs to have a way to activate the BOP through a land based method.

i think that all new rigs built will be required to have land based "turn off switch"

Posted by Luke4LSU
Member since Oct 2007
11986 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:01 pm to
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What sort of future safeguards will be put in place to keep the next BP Oil Spill from happening just like this one?


I'm hoping that the RCA determines that this was due solely to BP's negligence, which means that the process & regulations we already have in place are adequate, and just need to be more closely scrutenized (here's looking at you, federal government!).

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BOP's with multiple redundancies built in that failed.


The BOP and its multiple redundancies are inherently redundant. You should rarely (if ever) NEED to activate the BOP.

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just wonder if future deep water drilling will require simultaneous drilling of a relief well


You may as well discontinue all drilling in the gulf. Not only is this retarded, but it will make companies send ALL of their development $$ elsewhere where they only need 1 straw to drink out of the milkshake.

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Naturally, that would drive the cost of drilling new wells way up, but I would think that is cheaper than what BP is going to end up paying when this is all said and done.


Whatever BP ends up paying for this, it's still peanuts in comparison to what it costs to drill ALL the DW wells in the GOM. You would essentially almost have to double the amount invested in DW production in the future, which would decrease supply to almost nothing.

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What else will come out of this regulation wise?


Hopefully, just more oversight from the MMS.
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
Member since Nov 2006
17347 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:07 pm to
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The BOP and its multiple redundancies are inherently redundant. You should rarely (if ever) NEED to activate the BOP.


this is false. nothing here to see people.


some of my clients manufacture parts for BOP
Posted by Luke4LSU
Member since Oct 2007
11986 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:16 pm to
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this is false


I meant that it isn't the primary mechanism for well control.

I guess I could have phrased it better.
Posted by BenHOGan
Kansas City
Member since Sep 2005
1775 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:22 pm to
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Hopefully, just more oversight from the MMS.


from what I'm learning, apparently more oversight OF the mms is probably appropriate.
Posted by Luke4LSU
Member since Oct 2007
11986 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:27 pm to
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from what I'm learning, apparently more oversight OF the mms is probably appropriate.


Agreed.

for some reason, I tend to doubt you're learning that from teh national media.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62480 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 11:19 pm to
quote:

If the relief well is the only true way to get things shored up, I just wonder if future deep water drilling will require simultaneous drilling of a relief well that stops several meters from completion, so that if this kind of catastrophe ever happens again, all they have to do is punch thru with the last few meters of the relief well and stop the leak.
Great. So we double the chances of a blow out? Awesome idea.

Blowouts don't necessarily occur in the "last few meters". And often well bores pass through several produceable zones on the way to TD. Any of which have the potential to blow out.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62480 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 11:21 pm to
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i believe we are the only country that doesn't require our offshore rigs to have a way to activate the BOP through a land based method.
Considering activation from the rig, and even direct by ROV didn't close the BOP in this case, another method closing the BOP wouldn't have helped. How to do you close the BOP from land with the rig on the seafloor?
This post was edited on 6/3/10 at 11:23 pm
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
Member since Nov 2006
17347 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 11:29 pm to
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Considering activation from the rig, and even direct by ROV didn't close the BOP in this case, another method closing the BOP wouldn't have helped. How to do you close the BOP from land with the rig on the seafloor?


i don't know all the facts. however i was told by someone more educated with that information than I that most other countries require there be a land based method to activate a BOP if there were a blowout or a rig explosion.

we don't have this regulation because its probably expensive and big oil put an X on it.

i can't comment on whether this would have worked or not.
im pretty comfortable saying it wouldn't have helped in this case, but who truly knows.
This post was edited on 6/3/10 at 11:31 pm
Posted by fiyahbyrd157
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2005
200 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 11:51 pm to
Not to mention there is no way of knowing if 1 relief well can even kill it. Hence the two relief wells being drilled now.

A Sr. guy in our office had to drill 4 relief wells to kill a well in Oman. So even 1 right next to the original hole might not do anything.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62480 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 12:06 am to
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we don't have this regulation because its probably expensive and big oil put an X on it.

im pretty comfortable saying it wouldn't have helped in this case...
My guess is we don't have this regulation for exactly as you point out. It won't do any good, not because "big oil" doesn't want to pay for it. The purpose of regulation should be increased safety, not designed to waste corporate treasure.

I still don't understand how you shut the BOP "from land" when the topside connection to the rig has been broken. Magic?
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
40396 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 4:17 am to
He's talking about the sonic device but it isn't activated from land it is activated from a supply vessel nearby. It basically serves the same purpose as the deadman which was already in use.


I think the biggest changes will come in the casing running and cementing procedures and the testing requirements that follow setting of a casing string. I could also see the development of new shear rams that are able to shear denser materials but that won't happen overnight.
Posted by AcadianDisciple
South LA.
Member since Nov 2009
275 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 7:56 am to
The BOP stacks will need to have 2 sets of shear rams spaced atleast 4' apart. This is to account for drill pipe tool joints which can't be sheared. Up to now, only one set was required.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62480 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 8:54 am to
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He's talking about the sonic device but it isn't activated from land it is activated from a supply vessel nearby. It basically serves the same purpose as the deadman which was already in use.
That's all fine and dandy as long as the rig is on the surface and has power. But if it's on fire, and the generators are stopped (they will be) what receives the signal from land to trigger the device?

Sonic devices don't have range to operate from the beach, or even the nearest fixed platform.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 11:37 am to
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That's all fine and dandy as long as the rig is on the surface and has power. But if it's on fire, and the generators are stopped (they will be) what receives the signal from land to trigger the device?


Sonic device can receive a signal from a nearby vessel or ROV. Charges could activate the Shear rams. The 4' spacing between multiple Shears is very likely in lieu of the sonic though.

Has anyone heard anything about unexpected findings in the piece of riser that was cut off the BOP?
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 11:39 am to
I stead of drilling a second well, Deepwater Drillers may have to fund a standby rig in th eGOm to respond in a timely manner. We were pretty lucky there were rigs nearby this blowout. They aren't the fastest things.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62480 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 11:59 am to
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Sonic device can receive a signal from a nearby vessel or ROV. Charges could activate the Shear rams. The 4' spacing between multiple Shears is very likely in lieu of the sonic though.
The ROV has to be attached to a vessel. Most supply boats don't have. Charges could activate the shears, but what happens when a seismic vessel is nearby and triggers the acoustic sensor? it simply isn't a workable system in the GOM. The 4-ft spacing is reasonable though.
Posted by gatorubet
Chocolate City
Member since May 2010
401 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 4:56 pm to
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I could also see the development of new shear rams that are able to shear denser materials but that won't happen overnight.


This caught my eye as being sorta key. i was blown away to hear that the best we can say about the things is that they work...unless it is at a joint/junction in which case they might not work. I mean, a fail safe should be fail safe, or at least not the current "and if all else fails, we have a system that will maybe work...!!"

Astounding lack of regulatory supervision if I am understanding it. As a guy with a nuclear power background, the fact that the components designed to prevent a disaster were not expected to work all of the time is - um - a different philosophy than the QA/QC I am familiar with.
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