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BP didn't follow BOP law ... blaming MMS ... ?????
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:24 pm
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Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:28 pm to tiger91
I guess I'm wondering do you test the BOP/certify it/whatever and then put it 5000 feet down? Can something happen to it underwater that would mess things up OR is it tested somehow again once it's down there????
How do you PROVE that these things work?
How do you PROVE that these things work?
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:39 pm to tiger91
BP submitts all the schematics and plans, ratings and testings to MMS for approval.
If BP lies about it or changes stuff without MMS approval then BP would be at fault
If BP lies about it or changes stuff without MMS approval then BP would be at fault
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:41 pm to mylsuhat
Had you heard about this? And tell me what eng program are you in again? Thanks.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:44 pm to tiger91
I'm in petroleum
This is the 1st I've heard of the article you linked
But unfortuately you cant believe our representatives because they all have NO background on this and they're all out to make a name for themselves.
ETA: they're ignorant, you cant fault them for that, but they should have enough respect for the people to admit their ignorance and not try to be the 1st person to blame someone
If you follow this closely you will see that it is evident
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This is the 1st I've heard of the article you linked
But unfortuately you cant believe our representatives because they all have NO background on this and they're all out to make a name for themselves.
ETA: they're ignorant, you cant fault them for that, but they should have enough respect for the people to admit their ignorance and not try to be the 1st person to blame someone
If you follow this closely you will see that it is evident
/ This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:51 pm to tiger91
As an audit director for a small public company, I do rely, to a certain extent, on regulatory audits for what what I can't get to myself. We have limited resources, they are not as limited. I do not have an oil and gas background and I have been highly critical of BP but frankly, I wonder if I wouldn't have worked regulatory oversite into my control framework as well.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:54 pm to tiger91
So basically... BP pulled a fast one, and the people charged with regulating (i.e. catching people trying to pull fast ones), failed miserably in their assigned duties. Right?
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:57 pm to coloradoBengal
not nessicarily, no one know what happend exactly
the BOP may have been perfect for all we know.
maybe it was a bad cement/casing job which resulted in damage to the BOP at the time of the incident
the BOP may have been perfect for all we know.
maybe it was a bad cement/casing job which resulted in damage to the BOP at the time of the incident
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:59 pm to mylsuhat
And again I ask how will the answer to this ever be known? They'll NEVER that thing back I wouldn't think.
Hat did you see the other article I linked? It's BAD for BP in my opinion ... but who can you trust?
Hat did you see the other article I linked? It's BAD for BP in my opinion ... but who can you trust?
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:01 pm to mylsuhat
quote:I guess I meant not that it was defective, but that it sounded like it wasn't the right type or strong enough to shear the drill pipe? Isn't that what is being asserted?
the BOP may have been perfect for all we know.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:03 pm to coloradoBengal
quote:
I guess I meant not that it was defective, but that it sounded like it wasn't the right type or strong enough to shear the drill pipe? Isn't that what is being asserted?
It's my understanding that we don't even really know whether BOPs will work as designed in deepwater.
Are there any instances of a BOP working at 5,000 feet?
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:07 pm to Decatur
quote:
It's my understanding that we don't even really know whether BOPs will work as designed in deepwater.
Are there any instances of a BOP working at 5,000 feet?
You mean as a shear? I have no idea. And if its the case that we didn't know...I don't see this could be negligence.
Did BP forge documentation or what?
If MMS signed off on BP's config, then how does this fall on BP's shoulders? That's like a cop directing traffic giving someone a ticket for an accident that happened due to his directions.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:09 pm to Decatur
SSBOP's are ONLY used in deepwater
there are other types for shallow water
and yes they have worked in the past
when they cut the riser on the seafloor a while back they had problems, there were 2 pipes there that were visiable on the ROV camera. that was not normal.
the BOP is not made to cut through 2 pipes (to the extent of my knowlege)
there are other types for shallow water
and yes they have worked in the past
when they cut the riser on the seafloor a while back they had problems, there were 2 pipes there that were visiable on the ROV camera. that was not normal.
the BOP is not made to cut through 2 pipes (to the extent of my knowlege)
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:12 pm to mylsuhat
quote:
there were 2 pipes there that were visiable on the ROV camera.
Like two lengths of drill pipe inside the riser side by side?
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:15 pm to coloradoBengal
it looked like 1 inside the other (donut)
dont take this as gospel, this is just my observations
thats why i saw it may have been a bad cement job
dont take this as gospel, this is just my observations
thats why i saw it may have been a bad cement job
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:17 pm to coloradoBengal
quote:There's a huge difference between MMS saying "configure it this way" and saying "this configuration does not violate our rules."
If MMS signed off on BP's config, then how does this fall on BP's shoulders? That's like a cop directing traffic giving someone a ticket for an accident that happened due to his directions.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:21 pm to mylsuhat
quote:Hrmm. I have no idea what that could have been.
it looked like 1 inside the other (donut)
When exactly did this thing blow out anyway? Obviously at least of one stage had been cased. Were they drilling deeper into another pressure zone or in the process of trying to complete it?
I seem to remember the most dangerous time for a blowout as being when you are approaching a pressure transition, looking for a casing point.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:22 pm to coloradoBengal
quote:I have no clue, I have not seen any of the drill diagrams or data for this
When exactly did this thing blow out anyway? Obviously at least of one stage had been cased. Were they drilling deeper into another pressure zone or in the process of trying to complete it?
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:23 pm to just me
quote:
There's a huge difference between MMS saying "configure it this way" and saying "this configuration does not violate our rules."
Huge? Really? Why would they have inadequate rules? What is their purpose?
I am trying to understand how when regulations set a minimum and people/companies meet those minimums, they can be held responsible for those minimums not being adequate.
Edit: I don't know if BP meet thise regulatory minimums. That's what I am trying to find out. In fact, it could be that they intentionally fell short of those minimums... however, the regulatory agency is supposed to ENFORCE those minimums before allowing drilling to be performed.
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 2:23 pm to tiger91
The Oil Disaster Is About Human, Not System, Failure
Best explanation I've heard so far. Sorry if Germans...
Best explanation I've heard so far. Sorry if Germans...
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