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A good description of what happenend

Posted on 6/18/10 at 5:00 pm
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 6/18/10 at 5:00 pm
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 6/18/10 at 5:51 pm to
So at what point was the last opportunity that something could have been done to prevent this whole thing???? Could something have been done/stopped/redone at 9:08 or 9:30 or how about at 8:34 when
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During this 14-minute period one can conclude that hydrocarbons were flowing and pushing more fluid from the wellbore than was being pumped in
????

And I also ask who should have noticed/reported these things OR stopped the operation?
This post was edited on 6/18/10 at 5:55 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 6/18/10 at 7:42 pm to
The driller, whoever was working the mud pits and prop the tool pusher should have all known something was going on. That why we've been saying how unlikely this whole situation is and was a freak accident. There should have been at least 4 people that should have seen what was going on from the beginning.
Posted by tigerdup07
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 6:36 am to
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The driller, whoever was working the mud pits and prop the tool pusher should have all known something was going on. That why we've been saying how unlikely this whole situation is and was a freak accident. There should have been at least 4 people that should have seen what was going on from the beginning.


this is true.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 8:56 am to
Thats what makes this so unprecedented, not only was there massive mechanical failures but massive human errors and failures as well.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 9:26 am to
I had asked before and was told that anyone can stop the operation at anytime ... for the most part. Will we ever know if anyone tried to do this??? I mean, what if they did and the HIGHER UPS said no????? I listened to some of the testimony from some of the surviviors to Congress or whoever that panel was ... it was most interesting.

again I ask what was THE LATEST point when things could have been stopped so that this wouldn't have happened?
Posted by tigerdup07
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 9:31 am to
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I had asked before and was told that anyone can stop the operation at anytime ... for the most part


this is true.

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Will we ever know if anyone tried to do this???


the driller contacted the toolpusher, who was in the shower. by the time the pusher got on his way to the rig floor, it was too late.

Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 9:43 am to
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the driller contacted the toolpusher, who was in the shower. by the time the pusher got on his way to the rig floor, it was too late


Did these 2 make it? I'm guessing so and hoping too.
This post was edited on 6/19/10 at 9:46 am
Posted by tigerdup07
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 9:57 am to
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Did these 2 make it? I'm guessing so and hoping too.


the driller didn't. but, the toolpusher did.


Posted by STEVED00
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 10:08 am to
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Thats what makes this so unprecedented, not only was there massive mechanical failures but massive human errors and failures as well.


I'm not so sure if there actually was a mechanical failure of the BOP after reading this. Who knows what was actually happening at the SS wellhead at the time the BOPs were actually functioned?? After reading this, it seems like the BOPs were NOT functioned until the gas bubble reached the surface. Hell pipe could have been moving up the hole by that pt and the BOPs are not designed to close/seal around moving pipe.
This post was edited on 6/19/10 at 10:10 am
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 10:11 am to
So what would the toolpusher have done? Not by any means being ugly ...

Evidently there's no cross training so that the driller could have done something or is each position that specialized?

God this keeps seeming more of human error and decision making ... I hate that this shite ever happened. I know that we all do.
Posted by STEVED00
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 10:14 am to
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God this keeps seeming more of human error and decision making


Thats why I think the moratorium is a silly idea. IMO, the safety devices were NOT given a chance to work. This seems more like a driller not knowing what he was doing or being told to disregard obvious signs of trouble.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 10:17 am to
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This seems more like a driller not knowing what he was doing or being told to disregard obvious signs of trouble.


Let me say for the 10 millionth time I do not know shite BUT this is what I'm starting to believe ... from hearing about "disagreements" between the higher ups on the rig about "he wants it this way" from a survivor in his testimony to what I've read (granted that could be skewed info).
This post was edited on 6/19/10 at 10:17 am
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 10:30 am to
There may have been some disagreements but that doesn't matter bc when you see a major spike in your down hole pressure and your pits are being over flowed, everyone knows what going on and and whats about to happen. They no its a kick and a blow out can happen, the arguments and disagreements played no part when this was happening. No higher up is going to disregard a kick, it can potentially be suicide.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 12:02 pm to
All I know is that the guy I heard testify (I think it was a cementer guy) said that in the hours before the explosion he was doing his job and was talking about 2 guys (higher ups) not agreeing on how something should be done. He wasn't paying that much attention to the disagreement as he was busy but did hear one of them say something about "so and so wants it done this way".

It was this guys testimony ... just looked it up from my previous post here:
LINK
Christopher Pleasant - Transocean, subsea supervisor, providing recollection of incident aboard Deepwater Horizon


Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 12:07 pm to
If I recall correctly they were discussing using only 2 plugs and pulling the mud out early. This was one cause for the blowout.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 12:36 pm to
I didn't understand half of what he said they were talking about but I can't help but think that arguments/disagreements about how things should be done and end up getting done didn't help things.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 12:38 pm to
The discussion he was talking about took some hours before the kick and the blowout.
Posted by mta504
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 1:59 pm to
This was no "accident".
Posted by jeff967
Monroe, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 2:06 pm to
This was no "accident".
this WAS a "dummassident"
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