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Posted on 12/27/24 at 5:59 pm to Jack Ruby
Send him to vet school. He can practice on animals until he has enough experience to practice on humans. 
Posted on 12/27/24 at 6:02 pm to Obtuse1
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It is important to remember he didn't not get into med school, he just didn't flourish. OP never mentioned which med school so it is possible he was just out of his depth at that school and would have been fine at another one.
The hardest part of medical school is getting in.
Med school courses are not hard to pass and 95%+ pass those exams.
Making an A is tough. Making a high score on test is difficult.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 6:20 pm to Jack Ruby
As long as there has been effort, why would you even entertain abandoning him? If you aren’t there for him in this situation, it just looks like you’re a crappy parent. This isn’t about you paying for med school and whatever else, be a Dad. You do whatever possible for your child to succeed. Start by asking him what he wants to do from this point.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:06 am to Obtuse1
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First, I thought of this last night but didn't come back to is he actually might not want to have anything to do with medicine now. Working around and with docs constantly may be soul-crushing for him.
It is important to remember he didn't not get into med school, he just didn't flourish. OP never mentioned which med school so it is possible he was just out of his depth at that school and would have been fine at another one. For all I know he was at a school like Hopkins and would have been a star at a school like USC-G.
CRNA would not be a short road but with a BS and some med school in his brain and on his CV he could fast track his ADN and BSN because of his BS credits. Micro, anatomy, chem, etc should be child play to him. He would also be working and making money in a short amount of time. He was still a long way from making money as a doc as well.
I think it's a viable option, just depends on what he wants to do. He may not want to live in the OR and just manage the airway/blood administration or deal with epidurals all day
If he wants to manage patients, the path of least resistance would be to go the PA route. They train in the medical model like physicians, often taking the same A&P classes, likely has 100% of pre-reqs and is 2yrs +/-. Income varies by specialty and state , but can make as much as CRNAs. Down side they have to work under physician oversight. PA are often in the OR if working for a surgical service such as Ortho.
On that note, the CRNA position gets the assumption of Nursing highest pay, but that is not entirely true. They do earn the highest pay starting out, but highest pay is in higher level Administration (CNOs) and NPs depending on specialty/sub-specialty/ role especially as independent practitioner with a private practice.
Depending on state of licensure, he could also go the NP route, have a private practice as an independent practitioner without physician oversite.
Ultimately I think it's an effort situation that has him in the current situation. Medical school has as much to do with will and determination as it does with aptitude.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:10 am to Dragula
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I think it's a viable option,
it’s been a long time since I’ve been around academia but isn’t there a point after completing a certain amount of med school that you’ve met or exceeded most nursing school requirements? that could be an option
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:12 am to makersmark1
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Med school courses are not hard to pass and 95%+ pass those exams.
All of my doctor friends would disagree… strongly
And from the amount of material I’ve seen sitting on their kitchen tables, because they wouldn’t fit on a desk, I tend to agree with them
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:30 am to 777Tiger
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it’s been a long time since I’ve been around academia but isn’t there a point after completing a certain amount of med school that you’ve met or exceeded most nursing school requirements? that could be an option
For sure... I was speaking specifically about CRNA being an option. I do not know for certain but I would be very surprised if he met the pre-reqs/was admitted to med school if he needed anything extra to quality for entrance into nursing school.
PA would be my personal recommendation..... more prestigious, more authority, shorter length of time (2yrs) and higher pay.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:46 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I’m a doctor.
It was not easy.
It is hard to make an A.
A “B”is in reach of most.
A “C” is not that hard.
I made all A’s and B’s.
I worked hard, but it was not impossible.
It was not easy.
It is hard to make an A.
A “B”is in reach of most.
A “C” is not that hard.
I made all A’s and B’s.
I worked hard, but it was not impossible.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:47 am to makersmark1
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Med school courses are not hard to pass
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I worked hard
So it’s not hard or you worked hard? Which is it?
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:49 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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So it’s not hard or you worked hard?
It was hard to make an A.
I made some B’s which really were not that hard.
If you get in, an overwhelming majority will graduate.
It is not the SF Q course or Ranger School as far as failure rates.
Many things have much higher failure rates than a med school course.
Making A’s is really difficult.
Passing a class is not as hard as making an A.
The problem now is you have less residency spots so they probably need as many. A’s as possible to standout.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 11:54 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:51 am to makersmark1
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If you get in, an overwhelming majority will graduate.
Well, yeah, because you proved your aptitude in the previous 4 years. That doesn’t mean it’s not hard.
I don’t know why you would downplay it. Pretty bizarre
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It is not the SF Q course or Ranger School as far as failure rates.
Well that’s a completely different test. Weird comparison
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:56 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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don’t know why you would downplay it. Pretty bizarre
It was hard.
I just don’t think people should think it is impossible to graduate.
Residency is way harder.
If you think med school is tough, residency is brutal.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 11:58 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:57 am to makersmark1
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I just don’t think people should think it is impossible to graduate.
Well you should have said that then, not the exact opposite
Posted on 12/28/24 at 12:00 pm to makersmark1
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The hardest part of medical school is getting in.
Anesthesiologist friend told me his hardest class was organic chemistry in pre-med..
Posted on 12/28/24 at 12:06 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
The hardest part of medical school is getting in.
This is the truth.
The number of applications per spot is amazing to me.
Anyone who gets in now in general is way more impressive than I was way back when. The young people are very talented and work extremely hard.
That is why I suspect that this young man may not particularly want to finish med school. I doubt he an outlier by intellect or talent.
There are many ways to make a living. Medicine is a long path for anyone that truly wants to do it. If he does not really want to do it, moving on makes sense.
This is the truth.
The number of applications per spot is amazing to me.
Anyone who gets in now in general is way more impressive than I was way back when. The young people are very talented and work extremely hard.
That is why I suspect that this young man may not particularly want to finish med school. I doubt he an outlier by intellect or talent.
There are many ways to make a living. Medicine is a long path for anyone that truly wants to do it. If he does not really want to do it, moving on makes sense.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Anesthesiologist friend told me his hardest class was organic chemistry in pre-med.
Med school course are like drinking from a firehose. So much material in a compressed amount of time.
Intellectually the concepts are not as difficult as many higher college science classes, but the minutiae, details, volume, etc is overwhelming at times.
In spite of this, almost all med students graduate.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 12:10 pm to makersmark1
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The hardest part of medical school is getting in.
Correct.
The material for the caliber of student in medical school is not difficult. Does it require some effort, yes. But it is not rocket science.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 12:15 pm to MrSpock
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The material for the caliber of student in medical school is not difficult. Does it require some effort, yes. But it is not rocket science.
^you have expressed precisely what I failed to convey.
I wish all of the med students the very best. You can do it!
I need you more than you need me.
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