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re: You ever wonder what would happen if the Sun went away.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:23 pm to DarthRebel
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:23 pm to DarthRebel
We’d all be thrown off the eart and die.
Check out the book “What If”. Very funny.
Check out the book “What If”. Very funny.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:26 pm to lsuwontonwrap
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Dibs on Yellowstone
Whoever stakes out that spot would have to be some serious badasses to hold it down. Literally everyone would be coming for it.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:32 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I dont think so, gravity would instantly go away when the sun went away
Gravity should travel at the same speed of light. So gravity would cease when the sun went away, but not felt for 8 minutes.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:33 pm to DarthRebel
I'm reading about it now and I dont understand it.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:33 pm to OysterPoBoy
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So we would still be affected by gravity for 8 minutes after the sun vanished? I can’t wrap my mind around that for some reason.
Gravitational waves.
ETA: The research center that first observed them is in Livingston Parish.
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:36 pm to Suntiger
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We’d all be thrown off the eart
Not if the Earth is still spinning, creating its on gravity.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I dont think so, gravity would instantly go away when the sun went away. The light and heat are physical things that are traveling and take a finite time to span the distance. I don't think you can have residual gravity or anything.
From what I understand about general relativity, it’s not actually gravity itself that causes, say, the earth to go around the sun but rather the effect that a massive object has on the space immediately around it, which affects the space immediately around that, and so on until it reaches and affect something else with mass. Kind of like a ripple in a pond.
That “ripple” is what pulls the earth towards the sun and it can only travel at the speed of light.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:37 pm to DarthRebel
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Not if the Earth is still spinning, creating its on gravity.
Gravity is created via mass, not spinning.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:40 pm to StupidBinder
Yea I'm reading about it now. I never got deeper than newtonian physics so this is all well outside of my education.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:55 pm to LSUBoo
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Gravity is created via mass, not spinning.
True. I crossed that in my head with what happens if the Earth quits spinning suddenly. We all go flying into space before gravity pulls us back in.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:56 pm to DarthRebel
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Gravity should travel at the same speed of light. So gravity would cease when the sun went away, but not felt for 8 minutes.
As far as the author below is concerned, this has not been measured in the lab. In fact depending on if you follow Newtonian or Quantum physics, you could get different answers.
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To begin with, the speed of gravity has not been measured directly in the laboratory—the gravitational interaction is too weak, and such an experiment is beyond present technological capabilities. The "speed of gravity" must therefore be deduced from astronomical observations, and the answer depends on what model of gravity one uses to describe those observations.
In the simple newtonian model, gravity propagates instantaneously: the force exerted by a massive object points directly toward that object's present position. For example, even though the Sun is 500 light seconds from the Earth, newtonian gravity describes a force on Earth directed towards the Sun's position "now," not its position 500 seconds ago. Putting a "light travel delay" (technically called "retardation") into newtonian gravity would make orbits unstable, leading to predictions that clearly contradict Solar System observations.
In general relativity, on the other hand, gravity propagates at the speed of light; that is, the motion of a massive object creates a distortion in the curvature of spacetime that moves outward at light speed. This might seem to contradict the Solar System observations described above, but remember that general relativity is conceptually very different from newtonian gravity, so a direct comparison is not so simple. Strictly speaking, gravity is not a "force" in general relativity, and a description in terms of speed and direction can be tricky. For weak fields, though, one can describe the theory in a sort of newtonian language. In that case, one finds that the "force" in GR is not quite central—it does not point directly towards the source of the gravitational field—and that it depends on velocity as well as position. The net result is that the effect of propagation delay is almost exactly cancelled, and general relativity very nearly reproduces the newtonian result.
This cancellation may seem less strange if one notes that a similar effect occurs in electromagnetism. If a charged particle is moving at a constant velocity, it exerts a force that points toward its present position, not its retarded position, even though electromagnetic interactions certainly move at the speed of light. Here, as in general relativity, subtleties in the nature of the interaction "conspire" to disguise the effect of propagation delay. It should be emphasized that in both electromagnetism and general relativity, this effect is not put in ad hoc but comes out of the equations. Also, the cancellation is nearly exact only for constant velocities. If a charged particle or a gravitating mass suddenly accelerates, the change in the electric or gravitational field propagates outward at the speed of light.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:56 pm to DarthRebel
Think of it in terms of information. The speed of any information is limited to the speed of light (except in the case of quantum entanglement), since that is how most information is conveyed. It would take 8 minutes for the information that the sun is no longer there to reach us. Inside that information is the light/heat/temperature/gravity values from the sun.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:56 pm to DarthRebel
I don't think about it because I know if the sun went away, we would not be too far behind.
Posted on 4/13/18 at 3:11 pm to DarthRebel
What’s most interesting about this thought experiment (to me anyway) is the fact that, while this would obviously be catastrophic for humans, it’s a better scenario for life overall than the trajectory we’re on now where all of the water on the surface evaporated as the sun steadily becomes hotter.
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