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re: You be the judge: Kickboxing champ/MMA fighter knocks out man at bar: claims self defense

Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:43 pm to
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its pretty clear that is what happened. the guy was on one side of the aisle and schilling on the other, and the guy backed right into him. If you dont agree you are dumb...


Wait, so your justification for this is that a drunk dude accidentally bumped into someone who was walking up from behind him? I guess that is one take on the situation
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:44 pm to
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so you are saying that the guy wasnt bouncing around and backed into schilling?


Do you think that was intentional? His back was to Schilling. Schilling then intentionally pushes him. First aggressive action goes to Schilling.

The guy then says something . . . who knows what. Schilling then bows up and gets in his face. Second aggressive action goes to Schilling. The action is then obscured by Schilling. Many of you say the guy is acting like he is going to punch Schilling. Maybe. It also may be the case that the guy was continuing his stupid bouncing around. I'm already on record saying the guy was an a-hole. The next clear aggressive action is again by Schilling, punching the guy several times.

Schilling may or may not face criminal action, but it's pretty clear who was the aggressor here.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83326 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:45 pm to
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Or, they are common sense people who take to the age old maxim of, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". I have no sympathy for some dumbass flexin on a dude twice his size, and finding out why you shouldn't do that. No civil suit is needed. No criminal charges needed. Simply, don't do stupid shite and you wont have to learn the consequences of doing stupid shite.



It's bizarro world in here.

Common sense people will have no empathy when the MMA dude gets prosecuted. He intentionally starts a confrontation by shoving him, and then resumes it by getting in the guy's face. The drunk wasn't bothering the MMA guy. Any reasonable person would view this as an aggressive guy baiting a shitfaced guy (conveniently with a camera filming).

Add to that the MMA thug inventing some stupid story about racism - again, frick him.
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:47 pm to
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Any well trained fighter, especially against a weak drunk, can control and restrain that person safely without knocking him out with punches to the head/face.


Are you suggesting a non-trained fighter would have the right to defend themselves with punches to the head/face when threatened, but this mma guy has to ninja around with submissions in a crowded bar because his fists are too fast or hard?

The guy was intentionally acting like he was going to throw a punch and caught one instead. Are all mma guys supposed to assume every aggressor is not trained or lucky enough to do damage and give them a free shot before responding?

Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
20893 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:48 pm to
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Do you think that was intentional? His back was to Schilling. Schilling then intentionally pushes him. First aggressive action goes to Schilling.



Yes

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The guy then says something . . . who knows what. Schilling then bows up and gets in his face. Second aggressive action goes to Schilling


meh

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The action is then obscured by Schilling. Many of you say the guy is acting like he is going to punch Schilling. Maybe. It also may be the case that the guy was continuing his stupid bouncing around.


No
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:50 pm to
Lots of habitual drunk moron's in this thread afraid they gonna get laid out next time.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:50 pm to
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Yes


Then you're dumb. I don't know what else to say.

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No


You don't know that.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:51 pm to
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moron's


Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:51 pm to
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The guy was intentionally acting like he was going to throw a punch and caught one instead. Are all mma guys supposed to assume every aggressor is not trained or lucky enough to do damage and give them a free shot before responding?


You're making stuff up.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
20893 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:52 pm to
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Then you're dumb. I don't know what else to say.


I was agreeing with you, idiot.

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You don't know that.


It is very clear that he made a move like he was going to punch the big guy.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:53 pm to
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I was agreeing with you, idiot.


You responded to my question with a "yes". Sorry.

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It is very clear that he made a move like he was going to punch the big guy.


I don't think that's clear. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55388 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:53 pm to
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He intentionally starts a confrontation by shoving him




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The drunk wasn't bothering the MMA guy.


So he didn't flinch on him?

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Any reasonable person would view this as an aggressive guy


An aggressive guy? He was literally walking back from the bathroom. The aggressor, was the guy acting like he was gonna hit the other guy. IF the same thing happened, and the guy wasn't an MMA fighter, just a big dude, there'd be no argument from you.

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baiting a shitfaced guy (conveniently with a camera filming).



Conveniently? What, in your brain, do you think the reasoning for the filming is? Could it be that teh drunk a-hole was being a drunk a-hole for awhile, and caught everyone's attention?

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Add to that the MMA thug inventing some stupid story about racism


Didn't catch that.
Posted by Smoke7024
Member since Jun 2010
23489 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:54 pm to
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Are all mma guys supposed to assume every aggressor is not trained or lucky enough to do damage and give them a free shot before responding?


Most reasonable people, MMA fighter or not, wouldn't have pushed the drunk a-hole and then gotten into his face. "Defend himself when threatened".
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
45988 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:54 pm to
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Wait, so your justification for this is that a drunk dude accidentally bumped into someone who was walking up from behind him? I guess that is one take on the situation


the dude bumped/ran into him and schilling moved him so he can continue to walk. schilling kept walking till the dude called out to him and when he turned around and the dude squared up to hit him and he knocked him out.

you can disagree on if he should have fricked him up or not but there is no argument on what happened. Its clear in the video.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:55 pm to
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Most reasonable people, MMA fighter or not, wouldn't have pushed the drunk a-hole and then gotten into his face.


Yep.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:56 pm to
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the dude bumped/ran into him and schilling moved him so he can continue to walk.


Come on, man.

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Its clear in the video.


Apparently not.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:57 pm to
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"Defend himself when threatened".


Yep, it's completely asinine.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
17947 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:58 pm to
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Its clear in the video.


What is clear in the video?
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
20893 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:58 pm to
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You responded to my question with a "yes". Sorry.


I was agreeing that the big guy made the first aggressive move.

I am not so sure he made the second, because the drunk guy may have said something to him.

In my opinion it is clear that he acts like he is going to swing on big boy.
Posted by Dissident Aggressor
Member since Aug 2011
4684 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:58 pm to
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Even if he did it’s not justification to KO him when you’re a pro fighter.


this is the difference maker
if he was joe six pack no one would be calling him out
then he doubles down on being the least common denominator by publicly incriminating himself and the "feared for his life" bowullshit
what a fuggin maroon...
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