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re: Yellowstone authorities euthanized newborn bison calf after visitor interferes with it.

Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:32 am to
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:32 am to
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Bison ribeye is tasty.


Damn sure is....but Bison Veal???? Yuuummmmmm....


Being a bison ain't ever been easy, even living in Yellowstone and being protected. It is not uncommon for animals to let their young sort out their own problems...most likely the mother and the herd were well aware of the calf's plight and was letting it work it out on its own and if it couldn't it would either die or they'd do what they could...only humans are helicopter parents. When the man intervened he disrupted years of instinct among the herd and condemned the calf to death. Doing the right thing is minding you own business....if you ain't a buffalo don't presume to know more about raising buffalo calfs than a buffalo....until man came along and wiped them out the western portion of north America was lousy with the damned things...they do just fine if left alone.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:34 am to
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We've given Ukraine like hundreds of billions of dollars. A feel good story saving a bison does more for our country than any of the resources went to ukraine and political corruption by the democrat party.


This is such a non sequitur. One, if you're already arguing government costs are out of control, why would you then turn around and say we need to burn more money. Two, at least Ukraine we are supposedly helping human beings. Three, and the main point, Ukraine and some tiny unwanted calf have nothing to do with each other since they are separate line items.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:35 am to
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.until man came along and wiped them out


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Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:39 am to
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So what would be the harm in NOT euthanizing a young animal. It dying? So they killed it to save it from dying?


It ain't apparent to the casual observer but the herds of bison alongside the roads in Yellowstone are always being eyed by a predator. Had a predator done what a predator was going to do the herd, protective by nature, would intervene. Either the predator or more of the herd could be killed. Had this happened during the normal course of nature it would be one thing...but for it to happen because a well meaning interloper into the eco-system set the wheels in motion is a whole other can of worms. Outside of being predators in that eco-system man has no place nor value...we are fortunate to be able to be observers and have a responsibility to make as little impact as possible. This well meaning person took it upon themselves to intervene and the professionals charged with managing the resource did what they undoubtedly thought was best in a bad situation.
Posted by Cracker
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:45 am to
let nature be nature idiots
Posted by DakIsNoLB
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:56 am to
Well said. This is just like the morons that stand around a dolphin calf that's been beached, passing it around like a puppy, and taking pictures with it. Ends up killing it. Call the proper authorities and stay the heck away from it.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:59 am to
Guy sounds like a complete moron and, at a minimum, should be banned for life from all national parks.
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:08 am to
The Bison is the most American animal. Bald Eagle included.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:09 am to
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Bison ribeye is tasty.


This would be like bison veal?
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:11 am to
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This would be like bison veal?



yep, you throw in some manatee and bald eagle and we've got us a pretty fine fajita going
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:14 am to
I would have been happy to raise the calf on my bison farm if they had called me.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:15 am to
Sounds like they tried to reunite but the herd rejected and the calf was left alone.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 11:10 am to
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Sounds like they tried to reunite but the herd rejected and the calf was left alone.


It sounds like the herd may have rejected it when the man intervened. It was left alone and the herd was not, apparently, coming back for it or otherwise trying to reunite the calf with the heard, the way the article reads. Animals do that, especially herding animals who are all subject to the whims of a predator if not ever vigilant. There could have been something wrong with the calf which was not apparent to anything but a buffalo or a predator and it was abandoned. Apparently buffalo or not known to simply leave a healthy calf in harms way (detached from the herd).
Posted by FLTech
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 11:13 am to
nothing to see here. Just an animal
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 11:20 am to
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Well said. This is just like the morons that stand around a dolphin calf that's been beached, passing it around like a puppy, and taking pictures with it. Ends up killing it. Call the proper authorities and stay the heck away from it.


Absolutely...it is most likely not beached out of carlessness...and its only survival option may be in a controlled environment with folks who know what they are doing caring for it with hopes of eventually returning it to the wild.

I have fished a bunch in Florida in the last 40 years and the number of dolphin attracted to boats is much higher today than it was just a few years ago because well meaning people are mistakenly training dolphins that boats equal food. It is not uncommon at all today for an adult dolphin to bring young dolphins around boats to show them the tricks of the trade...where it was nearly unheard of 10 years ago for a dolphin to pick up a hooked fish it is almost unheard of spending more than a few days fishing without having it happen. Leave them alone and do not interact with them....

A co-worker and I found an Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake yesterday about 3 and a half feet long in the middle of the road. It did not appear to be hurt but was acting strangely...simply lying in the road. The co-workers fist instinct was that it had been hit and we needed to catch it and take to the site biologist. First off catching a 3 foot long eastern diamond back ain't something a couple of engineers ought to be doing under any circumstance...but intervening in nature is simply a bad idea. I talked him down by explaining I wasn't the least bit interested in messing with that snake outside of taking a picture of it from a distance...and sure enough, when we moved past it the thing took off like a flash. It may have been hurt but it sure got out of the road quick. Leave nature alone. Be happy you get what you get and leave it at that.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 11:29 am to
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.until man came along and wiped them out


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Ted Nugent, like him or not, is exactly why hunting is an important part of managing natural resources. Most of the most serious and earnest conservationists I have ever met, known or read about were hunters who had an interest in nature and a vested interest in maintaining healthy populations of wildlife. It seems cruel and ugly to most non-hunters but without hunters there would be FAR fewer animals and far less habitat for any to survive. Man is a predator by nature...killing is a part of life as is dying. We have made way too many mistakes but relatively few were the result of over hunting...most have come by way of habitat destruction in the interest of a dollar. Man is a part of nature and has a rightful place...intervening beyond survival is stepping out of bounds. Maintaining the skills to hunt and a population of animals to be hunted is a matter of human survival...we may not rely on it right now but it hasn't been but a blip in time when we did....
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