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re: WWII trivia thread
Posted on 7/7/25 at 4:11 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 7/7/25 at 4:11 pm to WestCoastAg
Only enlisted man to fight in all 3 theaters of WW2
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????WWII uncovered: Honoring the Service of Sergeant Ben Kuroki: Hero of the Skies
"Ben Kuroki finished the war as one of most highly decorated Sergeants in WW II. Believed to be only enlisted man to fight in three theaters (Western Europe, Mediterranean, Pacific). He flew 30 missions with the 8th AAF, 58 total with USAAF. Sergeant Kuroki flew on the August 1943 Ploesti raid, returning safely to Libya."
Kuroki became a gunner in a B-24 squadron based in Europe. He served with distinction and after completing 30 combat missions, more than the standard full tour of 25, Kuroki returned to the fight by serving another full tour of duty as a B-29 gunner in the Pacific. He was the only Japanese American to serve in air combat in the Pacific, and one of very few soldiers at all to have fought in both the European and Pacific theaters. He completed a total of 58 combat missions and was awarded three Distinguished Flying Crosses and the Air Medal with five oak leaf clusters.
Ben returned to Nebraska after the war and earned a degree in journalism from The University of Nebraska. Subsequently, he worked for several newspapers and advocated for equal rights against prejudice. He was awarded an Honorary Doctorate from the University in 2005. Sergeant Ben Kuroki was also honored in 2005 with the Distinguished Service Medal for his impressive combat service record during the war.
Sergeant Kuroko passed away on September 1, 2015 at the age of 98. He lies in rest at Conejo Mountain Memorial Park in Camarillo California. Lest We Forget.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:26 am to LSUCooper
My grandfather (L.C. Scott) was on Tinian Island as well. My uncle (J.S. Gray) was captured by the Japanese in the Philippines, survived the Bataan Death March, camps O’Donnell & Cabanatuan, the Hell Ships, and slave labor in Japan. Were some tough old GOATS.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 7:33 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:32 pm to Jim Rockford
Code breaker dies at 101.
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????WWII uncovered: Honouring the Life and Service of Charlotte 'Betty' Webb: Code Breaker of Bletchley Park and the Pacific Theater Passes Away at the Age of 101 Years Old
"It is with great sadness that on 1 April 2025 the Bletchley Park Trust has learnt that Charlotte (Betty) Webb MBE has passed away at the age of 101. Her contributions to Bletchley Park, during World War Two and to ensuring its legacy today, will never be forgotten. "
"Bletchley Park, a British government cryptological establishment in operation during World War II remained classified even after the end of the war. The establishment was where Alan Turing and other agents of the Ultra intelligence project decoded the enemy’s secret messages, most notably those that had been encrypted with the German Enigma and Tunny Cipher machines."
The world would not fully learn of the valuable efforts put forth by approximately 12,000 men and women until 1974 when Frederick William Winterbotham received permission to publish his memoir, "The Ultra Secret."
At the age of 18 years old Charlotte 'Betty' Webb was serving with the Auxiliary Territorial Service when her extensive knowledge of the German language prompted interviewers to reassign her to Bletchley Park.
"I didn't really think of myself as being one of thousands of women working for Bletchley Park. I was intrigued by the fact that I was chosen to work here, but none of us were fully aware of the scale of the operation or how many people were involved. We didn't realise how important we were. Looking back, we all realise that our individual roles were much bigger than we imagined." - Betty Webb BBC
According to the BBC: "In 1943, she relocated to the Japanese Military Section in Block F, a concrete hut nicknamed the Burma Road because of its length. It was there that Betty began decoding messages of the Japanese Army. After four years of service at Bletchley, when the War ended in Europe in May of 1945, Betty was sent to America to continue her work at the Pentagon as a code breaker. Webb played an integral part in the paraphrasing and transcription of the already decoded Japanese messages from the Pacific Theater. She was the only member of the ATS to be sent to the United States."
After the war Betty returned to the United Kingdom to work at Bletchley Park and when it closed down, she went back to Shropshire to work as a secretary at Ludlow Grammar School. In 2015 Mrs Webb was awarded an MBE by Prince Charles for her work during the war effort and the Légion d'Honneur in 2014.
Staff Sergeant Charlotte 'Betty' Webb turned 100 years old on 13 May 2023 and is the last known surviving veteran who worked on both German and Japanese codes. One week prior she was an honoured guest at the coronation of King Charles. Mrs Webb was a resident of Wythall, Worcestershire.
Please join us at WWII uncovered in honouring the service of Mrs Betty Webb - A true member of the Greatest Generation. Lest We Forget.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:34 pm to Ncook
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Willow Run, the Ford plant in Detroit, produced half of the 18,000 B-24’s produced.
One came off the assembly line every 65 minutes.
Most produced aircraft of WW ll.
WWII was not won in France or the Pacific. It was won in Michigan.
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:30 am to Ace Midnight
A copy and paste from the Arlington Cemetary FB
In addition, only 88 bombers returned to Libya. The final straggler had been in the air for 14 hours.
The other surviving planes landed at either an RAF base on Cyprus or made it to neutral Turkey.
The allies never attempted another low level bomb run using heavy bombers. Ploesti wasn't targeted again until early 1944 when the 15th Air Force setup shop in Foggia-southeastern Italy and long range fighter escort was available.
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On Aug. 1, 1943, the U.S. Army Air Forces launched a daring strike, known as Operation Tidalwave, on the German-controlled oil fields of Ploesti, Romania. Instead of the typical high-altitude bombing raids, American B-24 bombers, taking off from Libya, approached their targets at low altitude to elude enemy radar. However, clouds and a navigational error disrupted the bomber formations, compromising the element of surprise. Of the 178 bombers that took off, 54 failed to return. At least 310 American flyers were killed on the mission and 186 were captured.
Arlington National Cemetery is the final resting place for many who served in Operation Tidalwave, including three bomber officers who earned the Medal of Honor for their actions that day: Col. John R. Kane and Col. Leon William Johnson (Section 7A) were both recognized for leading their bomb groups to the target despite being separated by clouds and facing heavy enemy defenses. Lt. Col. Addison Baker (Section 78) earned his posthumously for bombing his target despite severe damage to his aircraft and gaining altitude in the hopes of allowing his crew to parachute to safety. Sadly, none of his crew survived.
We honor their service.
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In addition, only 88 bombers returned to Libya. The final straggler had been in the air for 14 hours.
The other surviving planes landed at either an RAF base on Cyprus or made it to neutral Turkey.
The allies never attempted another low level bomb run using heavy bombers. Ploesti wasn't targeted again until early 1944 when the 15th Air Force setup shop in Foggia-southeastern Italy and long range fighter escort was available.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:42 am to bigjoe1
Those SOBs flew across the Med and southern Europe at minimum altitude and attacked the oil complex at smokestack height. The bomber gunners were literally firing back at the flak gunners.
Plus, part of the mission took a wrong turn, so some bombers had to dodge their comrades making their runs from another direction.
Five Medals of Honor awarded, and 56 DFCs, along with 41 Silver Stars.
98th BG (Pyramiders)
376th BG (Liberandos)
44th BG (Eight Balls)
93rd BG (Flying Circus)
389th BG (Sky Scorpions)
Plus, part of the mission took a wrong turn, so some bombers had to dodge their comrades making their runs from another direction.
Five Medals of Honor awarded, and 56 DFCs, along with 41 Silver Stars.
98th BG (Pyramiders)
376th BG (Liberandos)
44th BG (Eight Balls)
93rd BG (Flying Circus)
389th BG (Sky Scorpions)
This post was edited on 8/1/25 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/1/25 at 11:43 am to Coeur du Tigre
My paw paw was a radioman on a Catalina in the south Pacific. He was part of the Black Cat Squadron. I loved looking at his flight book as a kid. He rarely spoke about his time there except for the fact that he couldn't get a cold beer.
My maw maw helped assemble the planes in NOLA.
My maw maw helped assemble the planes in NOLA.
This post was edited on 8/1/25 at 11:44 am
Posted on 8/1/25 at 12:10 pm to BayouKR4
Jack Lucas was just 14 when he forged his mother's signature to enlist in the Marine Corps Reserve in August 1942.
Jack trained as a heavy machine gunner but went AWOL from Hawaii in January 1945, stowing away aboard the USS Deuel to join the fight in the Pacific.
Discovered en route, officers—unaware he was underage—assigned him to the 26th Marines, 5th Marine Division as a rifleman. Jack turned 17 on the ship just days before landing on Iwo Jima on February 19, 1945.
The very next day, in a trench with three fellow Marines, two Japanese grenades landed nearby. Yelling "Grenade!", Jack pushed one Marine aside, then dove onto one explosive and pulled the other under his body.
The blasts riddled him with over 250 pieces of shrapnel, and he was presumed dead until a passing Marine noticed movement and called for a corpsman.
Miraculously surviving after 21 surgeries and eight months of recovery, Jack received the Medal of Honor from President Harry S. Truman on October 5, 1945—becoming the youngest recipient since the Civil War at age 17." More detailed artilcle with pictures
My dad was in the 5th division and was at Iwo Jima from day 1 .
Jack trained as a heavy machine gunner but went AWOL from Hawaii in January 1945, stowing away aboard the USS Deuel to join the fight in the Pacific.
Discovered en route, officers—unaware he was underage—assigned him to the 26th Marines, 5th Marine Division as a rifleman. Jack turned 17 on the ship just days before landing on Iwo Jima on February 19, 1945.
The very next day, in a trench with three fellow Marines, two Japanese grenades landed nearby. Yelling "Grenade!", Jack pushed one Marine aside, then dove onto one explosive and pulled the other under his body.
The blasts riddled him with over 250 pieces of shrapnel, and he was presumed dead until a passing Marine noticed movement and called for a corpsman.
Miraculously surviving after 21 surgeries and eight months of recovery, Jack received the Medal of Honor from President Harry S. Truman on October 5, 1945—becoming the youngest recipient since the Civil War at age 17." More detailed artilcle with pictures
My dad was in the 5th division and was at Iwo Jima from day 1 .
This post was edited on 8/1/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 8/1/25 at 1:52 pm to SoDakHawk
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Side note - if you have not visited the National WW1 Museum in Kansas City, you need to. Incredible place. Prepare to spend the entire day there. Spent 4.5 hours there last weekend and just scratched the surface. Made such an impression on me, still kind of haunts my thoughts.
Went last year. Of course the day I went the VR trench experience was closed….
Posted on 8/1/25 at 2:11 pm to Jim Rockford
In 1943, US pennies were made of steel in order to provide copper for the war effort. They are still relatively inexpensive easy to find at pawn shops and kiosks at flea markets or coin shows. There were two copper 1943 pennies struck to check the mint. Either one of the two copper proofs would be very valuable to anyone who ran across one.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 7:17 am to footswitch
quote:Finding the USS. Indianapolis survivors FB
80 Years Ago Today on August 2, 1945;
A US Navy PV-1 Ventura with Patrol Bombing Squadron 152 based at Peleliu was on patrol over the Pacific with Lt(jg) Wilbur C. Gwinn as pilot.
Their PV-1 had been fitted with a new navigational aerial cable that trailed from the rear of the aircraft and was having problems. They already had to return to Peleliu for a new one after the weight holding the cable steady had broken off.
Now they were having problems again, as the weight had broken off a second time and the cable was flailing around. Gwinn passed control of the PV-1 to the copilot and went to the rear of the aircraft, where one of the gunners was by a hatch in the floor messing with the troublesome aerial cable.
As Gwinn bent down, he looked down at the ocean and saw an oil slick on the water. He immediately returned to the cockpit and brought the aircraft down to 900 feet and began to follow the miles long oil slick.
Gwinn soon spotted men bobbing in the water, presumably from a sunken ship, he sent a radio message back to Peleliu, gave their location, and asked for assistance.
As he flew on Gwinn counted an estimated 150 survivors in the open ocean. Most were bobbing helplessly in the water in life vests, some were in navy life rafts, he could also see sharks circling the survivors. Gwinn had his crew drop emergency rations and rafts.
The survivors from USS Indianapolis had finally been located after 3 1/2 days, but some would spend additional hours in the water before being rescued and sadly more would pass away…
Picture; Lockheed PB-1 Ventura in 1943 - NARA See less
Posted on 8/18/25 at 9:15 pm to bigjoe1
Most dangerous position on a WW2 bomber
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It might be the best seat in the house today, but in WWII, would you have wanted to be sitting there as your aircraft entered a wall of flak or as enemy fighters dove on your formation?
Many people have strong opinions about which position on a B-17 was most dangerous. A common belief is that the ball turret gunner had the highest casualty rate. In reality, the ball turret was among the safest spots on the aircraft, thanks in part to its mostly steel construction compared to the thinner aluminum skin elsewhere.
Maj. Allan Palmer, USAAF, conducted an official medical study of Eighth Air Force casualties for June to August 1944, breaking them down by crew position. He found the highest casualty incidence among the waist gunners, navigator, and bombardier. The waist gunners’ numbers are partly explained by the fact that there were two of them per aircraft, which doubled the exposure compared to single-crew positions.
The navigator and bombardier worked in the nose, an area that absorbed a heavy concentration of flak. Flak was by far the greatest threat. In Palmer’s sample, 86 percent of all wounds were caused by flak, not by enemy fighters.
So yes, the bombardier’s seat is a prime spot for an unforgettable living-history flight today. But in wartime, it took real fortitude to occupy that position.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:00 pm to bigjoe1
Germans found out that one of the safest places to attack bombers was from head-on, at least until the twin-.50 caliber nose turrets were installed.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 7:17 am to bigjoe1
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Only enlisted man to fight in all 3 theaters of WW2
My former neighbor was a WWII vet who was trained to set up and run on-shore radar stations. His unit was sent in once the beach was deemed secure. After they were up and running, the naval ships could back off so they had more room to maneuver and protect themselves.
He went ashore in North Africa (Torch), Italy, South of France (Dragoon), and ended up on Iwo Jima. So, unless he lied to me or this was more accurately saying he was the only fly boy to serve in all three theaters, this is wrong.
Furthermore, it is well documented that Shug Jordan, served in North Africa, D-Day (where he was wounded), and Okinawa
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 7:20 am
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:08 am to SpotCheckBilly
Jimmy Doolittle bombed Tokyo, Rome, and Berlin.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:16 am to Jim Rockford
Over 90% of USAF (and its predecessors) combat casualties occurred during WW2. Nearly as many airmen were killed (52,000) in WW2 as there were combat deaths in Vietnam (58,000). Half of these deaths (26,000) came from the 8th Air Force alone.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:22 am to SpotCheckBilly
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Furthermore, it is well documented that Shug Jordan, served in North Africa, D-Day (where he was wounded), and Okinawa
Bear Bryant had tremendous admiration for Shug Jordan. He once said "Shug has more courage in his little finger than I've got in my entire body." Coach Jordan saw some stuff during the war.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:53 am to grizzlylongcut
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I’m sure Hollywood will come in and tell us that a few sassy black queens were the actual real reason the allies won the war in a few years.[/quot
In the early 90's during the don't ask don't tell debate I asked an older friend his opinion. Bill had been a B17 pilot in Europe. Bill laughed and said, "We had gays in WWII and everyone knew it." "They put on great shows at our bases for entertainment."
I’m sure Hollywood will come in and tell us that a few sassy black queens were the actual real reason the allies won the war in a few years.[/quot
In the early 90's during the don't ask don't tell debate I asked an older friend his opinion. Bill had been a B17 pilot in Europe. Bill laughed and said, "We had gays in WWII and everyone knew it." "They put on great shows at our bases for entertainment."
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