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re: WSJ "Article" Blames men for dating problems.

Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:17 pm to
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:17 pm to
Lets also add in that she insults and labels all these men, which her side has deemed a hate group per their southern poverty gospel center.

Anecdotally but most women in her position bring nothing to the table for a relationship. Im not talking about people in their 20s that may have just got out of college and trying to establish a career. Im talking about the plus 30 year old crowd and into the 40s. They bring a kid(s), debt, and a job that has low pay and no upward mobility to the table and expect guys to just want to jump into that.

Meanwhile the guy has a house, maybe a kid, and a good career but somehow that isnt for his side of the table. The dating scene for a guy around 40 years old is disastrous
Posted by Burt Orangello
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:18 pm to
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I would suggest it helps to have a guy who actually deals with these issues to explain these issues and not a guy who bangs super models.
I mean let's all gather to hear Jeff Bezos talk about the joy of clipping coupons, right?


I wouldn't say that's always the case. The people buried inside the problem often have a limited view of it in its totality, and they are almost always more subjective than objective (rightfully so, since they're being directly affected).

And even if they're 100% correct, their message is received as whiny - so people slap some stupid "incel/MGTOW/red-pilled" label on them and promptly dismiss them.

There's no good way to explain this without coming off the wrong way, so let me just paraphrase my point by asking ...

Right or wrong, who do you think resonates more - the guy they already think is beneath them lamenting his inability to get a date, or the guy they're unrealistically chasing politely declining and telling them how dumb they are for ignoring the guy who's a 5-6 and will love them forever?

A parallel would be ...

A. A poor person complaining about how the system is rigged to favor the rich.

B. A rich person acknowledging the system is rigged and, even though it benefits him, he thinks it's wrong and needs to be fixed.

The reaction to A is like "Well, no shite. It's expected that he's going to complain."

The reaction to B is a little more impactful. "Hell, even THAT guy admits X, Y, Z."

BOTH are correct, but one carries a little more weight.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:21 pm to
No, that applies to those who reached adulthood, which I would assume means 12 or 13 years old. A lot of people don't know that teen boys were frequently sent away in cultures all over the world to do the bidding of the powerful men specifically so they could eliminate competition and monopolize women. Genghis Khan for instance, is said to have the most prolific lineage in human history, maybe 100m. He didn't get that by encouraging sexual competition, he did it by monopolizing it.

The vast majority of women have reproduced successfully. Men have always been unsuccessful at this.

Science here : LINK
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:25 pm to
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Genghis Khan for instance, is said to have the most prolific lineage in human history, maybe 100m. He didn't get that by encouraging sexual competition, he did it by monopolizing it.


Maybe but someone like him in his position of power needed other men to support him, so he needed to keep them happy
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:29 pm to
Thanks for the link.

None of it surprised me but I was curious what was counted.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:32 pm to
It's generally accepted that about 40% of men have been reproductively successful, while about 80%-90% of women have.

Study Viking culture or native American culture or East Indian culture. Hell, study the FLDS in Utah. Men are often expelled from communities specifically so that other men can monopolize reproductive success. Now, it's less dramatic, but for centuries of human history, boys were simply cast into the wilderness or served up as fodder on suicide missions. Or young men would have to serve the leader and prove his worth and then come back and request the privilege of reproducing and having a family. Eliminating reproductive competition has always been a central male strategy and the flip side of women's evolutionary biological striving to reproduce UP the hierarchal ladder (hypergamy). All these things wrecking us now that we think are new have very logical historical precedents.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:34 pm to
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Study Viking culture or native American culture or East Indian culture. Hell, study the FLDS in Utah. Men are often expelled from communities specifically so that other men can monopolize reproductive success. Now, it's less dramatic, but for centuries of human history, boys were simply cast into the wilderness or served up as fodder on suicide missions. Or young men would have to serve the leader and prove his worth and then come back and request the privilege of reproducing and having a family. Eliminating reproductive competition has always been a central male strategy and the flip side of women's evolutionary biological striving to reproduce UP the hierarchal ladder (hypergamy). All these things wrecking us now that we think are new have very logical historical precedents.


And I'd imagine this eventually led to societal instability in the end.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:37 pm to
Ol Genghis Khan was the greatest Cock Blocker in human history.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:42 pm to
And you also have to consider genetic diversity. People always assume 1 + 1 = 2 when it comes to genetics never considering too much of one trait can become a handicap.

Posted by daydranking
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:51 pm to
the juice isnt worth the squeeze so many guys my age (20s) are simply opting out. why be with a woman who doesnt really and truly love you, sees you as a meal ticket, and is looking for a better spouse? marriage rates are down, divorce rates are up. women my age have either had numerous sexual flings or are single mothers. most men arent willing to raise another man's offspring and having numerous sexual flings cheapens love and intimacy making it feel more like a chore or transaction than romance.

im getting close to opting out myself...
Posted by SmelvinRat
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:41 pm to
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Gotta go to the library. They got good women there. Or go to church. Yea, good clean women in church.


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