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re: Would you take this class structure during the semester?

Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:33 pm to
Universities don't care about costs. They only care about how much more money they're taking in every year.

They cut costs to allow them to spend more
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:36 pm to
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Why not just make syllabus's available and offer CLEP tests?

I couldn't imagine a professor wanting to give a 16 hour lecture.



You can't test out of a lot of classes. Also, you could do the tests inside of the university and not have to pay some online institution for their material and licenses.

You can take a professor that you employ, convert his tests to the computer-based tests that the university uses in their labs, and then you are done.

That's all the money you have to spend for this class.



Again...16 hours...twice.

How different is that than any travel schedule?

Or a long work project.

You do it and it is done.


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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:37 pm to
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Universities don't care about costs. They only care about how much more money they're taking in every year.

They cut costs to allow them to spend more


That is what I am saying though.

If you do the "online class" in house with all your material being made by you and run by you (you is the actual professor) there's no fees you have to give to anyone else.


I'm trying to make the university be frugal and save money!
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:38 pm to
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There is no way you'd retain any of that material long term. You couldn't do it for anything but the most simplistic of material.



I don't think you're thinking about your experiences enough.


You can retain material delivered like that.


Think about when you marathon a TV series...
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:40 pm to
It is a shame...

Analogy:

You guys would rather take the medicine the doctor gives you for an infection...

Rather than manning up and taking the shot and getting it over with.


You don't want to peel off a band-aid when you peel off band-aids all the time in your life....you just don't consider it a band-aid but it is one.
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:41 pm to
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Think about when you marathon a TV series...


That's actually a perfect example. People that binge watch TV shows usually miss small details others don't miss. Your brain can only function at a high level for so long. I'm starting to understand how you got a 22 if you can't see the obvious flaws to your idea.
Posted by Upperdecker
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:43 pm to
Why not just eliminate lecture entirely for the class, communicate through a Moodle, let them know the chapters to be tested from the book, and give them a regular test on a specified date with a window of time for them to take it in the testing center? Sounds like the lecture would be more of a pain in the arse/formality anyway. There are some classes in college I would have just taken a course to test out of and be done with them. LSU has spring testing for some of them and AP tests for others
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:43 pm to
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That's actually a perfect example. People that binge watch TV shows usually miss small details others don't miss. Your brain can only function at a high level for so long. I'm starting to understand how you got a 22 if you can't see the obvious flaws to your idea.



Sick burn dude.

I agree that you can only focus at a high level for so long...

What if the lecture time was cut in half each class to 8 hours. Still too long?

Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:44 pm to
That sounds pretty terrible. I imagine after 4-5 hours both the professor and students would become pretty useless
Posted by BigB0882
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:45 pm to
16 hour lectures are about the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. You can't be serious with that.
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:46 pm to
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Why not just eliminate lecture entirely for the class, communicate through a Moodle, let them know the chapters to be tested from the book, and give them a regular test on a specified date with a window of time for them to take it in the testing center? Sounds like the lecture would be more of a pain in the arse/formality anyway. There are some classes in college I would have just taken a course to test out of and be done with them. LSU has spring testing for some of them and AP tests for others



I don't think it's that easy to get professors to convert their classes to this format.

Plus, like I said, the university has to pay an outside fee to hold all of these classes online. I don't think moodle has the support to run an online class (I don't know if this has changed).

Again...you can't test out of every course. This idea will give a course that you can test out of, just giving up a little but of your schedule.
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:46 pm to
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I imagine after 4-5 hours both the professor and students would become pretty useless


4 hours? Break.

Start next 4 hours.
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:47 pm to
Most of what you teach in the second half of an 16 hour lecture would not be retained.

Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:47 pm to
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16 hour lectures are about the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. You can't be serious with that.


Ok. You've never traveled then. Or you've never done a big project with a company.

How do you stay on top of things?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:48 pm to
I personally think it's too long, yes. By the time you factor in breaks, lunch, etc, you're talking about a 10 hour day. You're not retaining all that info in any meaningful capacity without a lot of work outside the class. A lot more than you'd need for a regular schedule. The shortest I'd go for meaningful learning is a summer session type schedule. What was that, 8 weekend or so of 5 hours per week.

You have to keep in mind I'm an engineer, so my responses are based on classes I took. You'd have no chance of understanding anything trying to take a class structured like you propose. It couldn't happen. And not to mention the schedule getting thrown to shite whenever people have questions about the material. There are just too many flaws.
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Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:48 pm to
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Most of what you teach in the second half of an 16 hour lecture would not be retained.


I think you are doubting yourself and doubting what a real educator is gifted at.
Posted by bhamtbone
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:49 pm to
Step away from the Adderal
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:50 pm to
Honestly, your OP was too long for me to read past the first paragraph. Would I still have the ability to look at chick's thongs from the way back of the room?
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:50 pm to
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I personally think it's too long, yes. By the time you factor in breaks, lunch, etc, you're talking about a 10 hour day. You're not retaining all that info in any meaningful capacity without a lot of work outside the class. A lot more than you'd need for a regular schedule. The shortest I'd go for meaningful learning is a summer session type schedule. What was that, 8 weekend or so of 5 hours per week.

You have to keep in mind I'm an engineer. You'd have no chance of understanding anything trying to take a class structured like you propose. It couldn't happen. And not to mention the schedule getting thrown to shite whenever people have questions about the material. There are just too many flaws.



Good points. Thanks for the constructive feedback.

You are right, it only works with some courses.

Perhaps this is better if stretched a little more, with less actual meeting time, and more time online.


But what it can do is provide a way for students to get other courses completed during the semester in less time than an intersession class.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:50 pm to
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You've never traveled then. Or you've never done a big project with a company.


Keeping a car on the road is not anywhere near the equivalent of learning new college level material. Can you try a different comparison?
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