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re: Would you drive it: 2020 Toyota Supra

Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:17 pm to
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:17 pm to
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The same crowd that thinks a new Mustang, Charger or Camaro are "sports" cars.


The Camaro has definitely moved far, far beyond the scope of a muscle car and well into sports car territory. To a lesser extent, the Mustang has too.

The Challenger is still a more of a muscle car.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78368 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:20 pm to
Honestly, why would someone buy a Camaro?

Not hating on the car, but I just don't get the market.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25832 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:22 pm to
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Turbo I6 @335 hp

Inline 6? Interdasting...
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8 speed automatic

Not interesting
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78368 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:23 pm to
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Not interesting


I imagine there will be a sport mode that utilizes those gears well.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25832 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:25 pm to
Sport mode on auto transmission or paddle shifters still dont compare to a real manual transmission. Toyota would be doing themselves a major disservice if its not offered in manual
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:29 pm to
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Honestly, why would someone buy a Camaro?


I don’t own one, but I get the appeal.

I’ve driven the latest version of the Mustang, Camaro and Infiniti Q60. To put it simply, all three of those cars can put a grin on your face - even with their entry level engines. They feel quick, sound awesome, corner like they are on rails, and look cool.

The Camaro and Mustang also have a convertible version if I’m not mistaken.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 10:31 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78368 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:30 pm to
Everyone says they want a manual, no one really buys a manual though. Especially when there are paddle shifters.

Numbers don't lie when it comes to selling cars.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78368 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:31 pm to
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To put it simply, all three of those cars can put a grin on you face - even with their entry level engines. They feel quick, sound awesome, corner like they are on rails, and look cool


I guess I get that appeal.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:32 pm to
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Everyone says they want a manual, no one really buys a manual though. Especially when there are paddle shifters.


Anything used as a daily driver in Baton Rouge traffic should not have a clutch pedal.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43448 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:32 pm to
Manual in the stick variety is damn near dead.

Posted by trevorsandler2016
Los Angeles
Member since Nov 2017
18 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 11:56 pm to
Easy yes, just needs to actually come out
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15841 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:21 am to
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Sport mode on auto transmission or paddle shifters still dont compare to a real manual transmission. Toyota would be doing themselves a major disservice if its not offered in manual



While I like the manual transmission too, the ZF-8 speed is faster and more fuel efficient in every way. Can handle track abuse all day long and wont let some idiot money shift it.

It wouldn't surprise me if they eventually came out with an MT version but the people saying this car won't be worth a shite without it are wrong.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
21337 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:37 am to
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Sport mode on auto transmission or paddle shifters still dont compare to a real manual transmission.


I have sport mode and paddle shifters on an Avalon. Why?

Probably used them twice just to see if they worked.
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15841 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:58 am to
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I have sport mode and paddle shifters on an Avalon. Why?



I think they're dumb and get in the way in most cars. I think its pretty dumb for people to drive supercars around 90% of the time with the paddle shifters. Stick it in D and go unless you're on the track where it matters what gear you are in before the next turn.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14523 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 7:31 am to
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You wanna know how I know you're full of shite??
all right I'll bite - bought in april 2002 from Leblanc - it was a 2002 - so sorry I got your jimmy rustled.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25832 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:05 am to
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Everyone says they want a manual, no one really buys a manual though. Especially when there are paddle shifters

First 3 cars I owned were all manuals. Drove manual every day for about 10 years. For the truck I have now, I like that its automatic. But if I was buying a high performance sports car then I would 100% prefer it in manual

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Numbers don't lie when it comes to selling cars.

For models that are common, I agree with you. But if you only look at high performance models, I think the numbers would tell different story. Most people buying Mustangs would probably want automatics. But if you just looked at people buying Cobras, I think most would want the manual
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43448 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:07 am to
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Cobras, I think most would want the manual


Well that's only because the GT350 is only offered in Manual
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25832 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:41 am to
Point proven
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15841 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:33 am to
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all right I'll bite - bought in april 2002 from Leblanc - it was a 2002 - so sorry I got your jimmy rustled.



Stopped selling them in the US in 1998...
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41071 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:38 am to
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For models that are common, I agree with you. But if you only look at high performance models, I think the numbers would tell different story.


I'd bet at least 80% of 911s are sold with pdk. You can't buy a Ferrari, Lamborghini or McLaren with a manual.

Manual is dead.

Porsche almost killed their manual offerings a couple years ago until their customers complained enough. The fact that they nearly did tells you a lot.


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