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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:48 am
Posted by SidGor
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:48 am
After lurking for a while I've seen the fitness knowledge base here and need your input.

In a nutshell, been in a fitness sabbatical and trying to climb out the hole. Primary focus is to lose fat, I'm okay with overall strength and build for now, just really need to cut about 20-30 pounds of fat.

I have a fairly wide ranging background in fitness/lifting which is actually making it hard focusing on one consistent routine, paralysis by analysis. It's seriously like some mental problem.

Lifting - tried Leangains a few years back for a while and liked it but, 1) not sure if it's exactly what I need for right now, i.e. Primary focus cutting fat, 2) it's pretty hard to stay on track with the lifting and eating requirements/restrictions with my schedule. Maybe 5x5?
Any love for low weight high rep routines?

Running - HIIT or sprint intervals or not?

Programs - referring to those routines by Horton, Harper, etc. They look like a good thing for cardio obviously and overall fitness, more multidimensional than just running.

Diet - I've got to figure this out. I don't frequently eat shite (fried or big pasta) or even that much, volume or frequency, but somethings clearly not working.

So, would some kind of combination of routines be best or better to focus more or less on one thing? Thanks in advance, you guys rock.
Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:50 am to
Stop drinking coke.


Start DOING coke.
Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:55 am to
Aim for higher rep routines that cycle in lower rep days. Do some cardio like 2 or 3 times per week. Do more major lifts rather than isolate specific muscles. The more major lifts you do, the more calories you burn. I'm trying to do the same. I have great strength and lifting background, but want to lose 20 lbs. When I switched up my routine to incorporate more major lifts, I felt the difference pretty quickly.

ETA: As far as your diet goes, eat lean meats and veggies. The more green the better. And I really don't worry too much about portion control. I eat until I'm satisfied. Also, I'll eat small snacks like fruit and nuts to keep the metabolism up during the day.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 9:58 am
Posted by Smokezilla82
Member since Jan 2017
465 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:55 am to
Look into the ketogenic diet or a low carb/high fat variant. With regards to routine, I would check out doing compound movements i.e. bench press, squat, deadlift. HIIT for cardio would be good too.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:59 am to
I would do lean gains anyway. It's what I did.

I became a lazy skinny fat piece of shite, getting up to 205 pounds and over 25% body fat. I cut down to 155 pounds and about 10-12% body fat over the course of 9 months. Was it agonizing and brutal? Yes but I think the best way to do it is to just cut cut cut cut cut and get rid of all that fat, then bulk and worry about muscle gains. Lean gains is a good way to cut and retain as much of your muscle mass as possible on the cut. If your primary focus is to cut fat then the lean gains cut is a good option.

For my diet I would eat 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight and calculate my fat/carb macros via lean gains calculator on /r/leangains.

For my workouts I would do 2 sets of RPT for my lifts. When cutting you don't want to do too many sets as too much lifting will only make it worse. On /r/leangains a user called 31minsama did an AMA and gave this workout routine, all 2 sets of RPT, 6-8 reps per set. RPT is basically, do as much weight as possible to where you can still get 6 reps in, then drop 10% and add one more rep for the next set.

Monday: Dead Lift, OHP, Weighted Chins, Rows

Wednesday: Bench, Incline DB Bench, Barbell Curls, Tricep Extensions

Friday: Squat, Calves, Hamstring Curls, Leg Extensions

I would also compliment this with HIIT 2-3 times a week. My HIIT would either be on the elliptical, exercise bike, or out at the track. 2 minute warmup, then 12 sprints as hard as possible for 15 seconds, 45 second "jog", 2 minute cool down. I only do HIIT when cutting.

Intermittent fasting is good also, I still do it even though I am bulking now. I would do a 23/1 or 18/6 IF when cutting. Meaning I would fast for 23 hours, then eat all my calories for the day in a 1 hour window. Or fast 18 hours, then eat all my calories for the day in a 6 hour window. Go no lower than a 16 hour fast.

Its a grind but you have to truly want it. I wanted no part of being a skinny fat loser. Cut off all my fat, now I am slow bulking and seeing good results.
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
25984 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:00 am to
quote:

Look into the ketogenic diet or a low carb/high fat variant. With regards to routine, I would check out doing compound movements i.e. bench press, squat, deadlift. HIIT for cardio would be good too.



Keto is only good if you don't give a shite about lifting
Posted by Dayton Duane
Member since Oct 2016
142 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:00 am to
5 reps of wiener push-ups

Some 12 oz curls.

Van Halen on the box. Turn that noise to eleven.
Posted by goldennugget
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Member since Jul 2013
25984 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:01 am to
quote:

The more major lifts you do, the more calories you burn.


The increase in calories is still minimal. Weight lifting should not be a part of your weight loss regimen. Two separate things. Weight loss is all about diet and to a much smaller extent cardio.
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:03 am to
quote:

Primary focus is to lose fat,


Eat less, move more.
Posted by Smokezilla82
Member since Jan 2017
465 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:03 am to
So you're saying that keto is the crossfit of diets?
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:06 am to
I hear a lot of differing opinions on that. I'm not saying you're wrong, though.

ETA: Some people say lift less, others say lift more. I just changed my routine a little and try to focus on a better diet.

ETA 2: I'm not trying to get shredded neccesarily. I just want to shed the extra fat.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 10:11 am
Posted by ScopeCreep
In the thick
Member since Jul 2016
685 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:18 am to
Im 6'0" and successfully cut from 230 at hella fat to currently 177 at 18%bf. Still have a few pounds to cut but I'm getting close.

Diet has been what I'll call paleo-ish. It's basically eat clean, protein heavy diet. I figured out that carbs kill me so I keep them to a minimum. I'll up my carb intake on workout days a little bit but not much. Basically throw out bread, rice, pasta, and potatoes. If you need filler, eat green vegetables. Meat is easy, lots of steak and chicken with the occasional lamb or pork. Don't worry about fat, fat is good for you.

As far as lifting, I did a lot of powerlifting at first after a gym hiatus lasting several years. It's what I knew and helped build a solid base. I did that for a couple of years and got much stronger. I switched it up a few months back and started on a program I found called Freakmode (just google it). The whole thing is relatively simple and has really helped me to lean down significantly.

There is no quick and easy to do it. Also there's no golden program that will get you shredded. Every program works if you follow it. Some may work better for your body type but they all work. Get thy arse to the gym.

You'll see real results when you get control of what you stuff in your face. When you get to the mindset that food is fuel, it'll be much easier. You can still eat delicious stuff, I certainly do. Just learn how to do it right for your body. It took me years to figure it out but the results recently have been excellent.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
161724 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:20 am to
quote:

Eat less,


not necessarily
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:23 am to
I found that the best way for me to stuck to a diet was to have a cheat meal once a week. On Frudays me and my girlfriend will go out to eat. We'll pick whatever we want and not give a frick for that one night. After that, back to the diet. What's funny is when she's not around on the weekend I'll order a pizza and then feel like a fat fricking loser then not eat pizza for weeks.
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
25984 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:37 am to
quote:

I found that the best way for me to stuck to a diet was to have a cheat meal once a week. On Frudays me and my girlfriend will go out to eat. We'll pick whatever we want and not give a frick for that one night. After that, back to the diet. What's funny is when she's not around on the weekend I'll order a pizza and then feel like a fat fricking loser then not eat pizza for weeks.


Slow carb diet. Fine for losing weight at higher body fat percentages. But once you start nearing the 15% range it is no longer useful as you are storing more fat on your faturday(cheat day) than you are burning the rest of the week
Posted by goldennugget
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Member since Jul 2013
25984 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:38 am to
quote:

I'll up my carb intake on workout days a little bit but not much. Basically throw out bread, rice, pasta, and potatoes.


Bad advice. During my 50 pound cut I ate 300g of carbs on my workout days. Rice, pasta, potatoes, etc. Necessary for weight lifting
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:39 am to
Where did you gain your nutrition knowledge?
Posted by MLSter
Member since Feb 2013
4150 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:41 am to
quote:

Keto is only good if you don't give a shite about lifting


This is me right now.
Or I think so.
What im doing is high fat/medium protein/veggies/ and no carbs on an IF. Only eat between 1pm and 8pm. Lunch at 1 dinner when I get home around 730

my workouts are minimal and include pushups pull-ups some curls, presses and squats( all in home)
then play soccer 2-3 times a week

But, im struggling and want to give up.
I used to eat whatever and hover around 160-165. now im probably closer to 160 but the hunger between 6am-1 is brutal and miss carbs, I want to eat a damn pizza!

Please critique my shitty plan and tell me if its worth it after a few weeks.
my goal was to lose some fat just to get more toned.
Posted by ScopeCreep
In the thick
Member since Jul 2016
685 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:42 am to
quote:

Bad advice. During my 50 pound cut I ate 300g of carbs on my workout days. Rice, pasta, potatoes, etc. Necessary for weight lifting


Maybe for you. Not for me. When I eat over 100g of carbs I feel like shite, look like shite, and lift like shite. Hence why all of my advice basically boils down to "figure out what works for you and your body".

I also only lift fasted. I generally workout at around 430AM.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:43 am to
Change input

Buy vitamix.
Use daily.
Summer. Use twice daily.
End of fat.

Go and be happy.
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