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re: Wonder how many German SS soldiers refused to kill during Holocaust.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:27 pm to Gee Grenouille
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:27 pm to Gee Grenouille
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well......the evidence exists that people were slaughtered, but the number is up for debate, IMO
Nope
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:32 pm to TutHillTiger
The Nazis were very aware of public opinion and cognizant that even an authoritarian state can only move so far so fast. They tried to promote the fiction that the whole society was of one mind. In the case of resistor Sophie Scholl, they knew the optics of executing a good Aryan girl would look very bad and gave her every opportunity to recant. Her Gestapo interrogation was mostly the interrogator pleading with her to say she had been deluded. She refused and the Nazis reluctantly executed her.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:33 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Nope
What is the number? And how are you so sure?
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:42 pm to thermal9221
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Well, the only person more cruel than hitler was Stalin.
Hideki Tojo says “Hold my sake”
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:42 pm to Breesus
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It was a horrifically evil brutal inexcusable time to be alive in either a Nazi or Communist country.
I saw somewhere that Hitler, Trotsky, Stalin, Tito and also Freud lived in Vienna, Italy at the same time.
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That doesn’t scratch the surface of the Asian side of the war which was so horrific it isn’t even taught in school.
I noticed some interesting stuff when looking into the Russo-Japanese War (WW0) in regard to the creation of the Bank of Japan and the role of Wall Street on their military development starting with the Russo-Japanes
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:49 pm to Jim Rockford
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In the case of resistor Sophie Scholl, they knew the optics of executing a good Aryan girl would look very bad and gave her every opportunity to recant. Her Gestapo interrogation was mostly the interrogator pleading with her to say she had been deluded. She refused and the Nazis reluctantly executed her.
Not a word of this is true. Reluctantly my arse. Did they also reluctantly chop off the head of her brother and another accomplice at the same time? For simply distributing leaflets? They reluctantly deserved the guillotine for that?
Roland Freisler never reluctantly did a damn thing when handing down a death sentence.
The Nazis were so reluctant that they only waited a few hours to carry out the death sentence after their conviction.
The amount of sick, deluded people here will never fail to amaze me.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 9/2/25 at 1:43 am to deltaland
quote:He's referencing the army cadence "Napalm Sticks to Kids" which I know for a fact was still in use as late as the late 90's at Ft Benning. There were quite a few cadences along these lines in use until fairly recently but the army has really cracked down on it the past 25 years and I'd bet money most troops today have never heard them.
When did we Napalm children in 1985
Like most cadences, there aren't any definitive or official versions but here some verses that were common:
We shoot the sick, the young, the lame
We do our best to kill and maim
Because the kills all count the same
Napalm sticks to kids
Napalm son is lots of fun,
Dropped in a bomb or shot from a gun,
It gets the gooks when on the run,
Napalm Sticks To Kids
Drop some napalm on a farm,
It won’t do them any harm,
Just burn off their legs and arms,
Napalm Sticks To Kids!
Flyin' low across the trees
Pilots doing what they please
Droppin’ frags on refugees
Napalm sticks to kids
It made us feel so good inside
When the strong men wept and the women cried
But what we really like is the children fried
Napalm sticks to kids
See that family over there?
Watch me get 'em with a pair
Blood and guts just everywhere
Napalm sticks to kids
Attack some kids when you go downtown
By throwing some candy on the ground
Then grease 'em when they gather 'round
Napalm sticks to kids
Shootin’ women’s lots of fun
Try killin' one that’s pregnant, son
You'll get two for the price of one
Napalm sticks to kids
Flyin' low and feelin' mean
See that family by the stream?
Drop some napalm, hear ’em scream
Napalm sticks to kids
Eighteen kids in a no-fire zone
Books under arms and goin' home
Last in line goes home alone
Napalm sticks to kids
I've only seen it happen twice
But both times it was mighty nice
Shootin' peasants plantin' rice
Napalm sticks to kids
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:12 am to Shaun176
quote:Read this for a European History class at LSU. Very affecting.
"Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland" by Christopher R. Browning
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:20 am to Clark14
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Seems like we hear the trump worshippers wanting to do this as well.
You do.
The scariest thing is that they genuinely don't think they're falling into the same trap. That happened then. It can't possibly happen now. "I would never do such a thing" As they are sitting cheering while men carry out the initial same objectives.
You don't wake up one day and guards are executing people and everyone is horrified. It's a slow descent. You rationalize each step of the way. Each step of the way the line that your leader would have to cross gets moved further back. Before you know it those people who were "trash" a few months ago are now "subhuman". Next they'll be "vermin".
It's the same thing. Over and over. We are not special. And I'll be called dramatic by these same people.
It's happening again and people are laughing about it.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:30 am to Clark14
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When the American troops liberated dachau and saw what had happened they executed the guards and hunted down any who tried to get away.
What had happened?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:33 am to Riverside
quote:They had some programs before, but that was actually a driver, specifically shooting women and children. Here is an interesting site for those who are interested in the history of the gassing operations of the Nazis.
The Germans developed the gas chambers because indiscriminate shooting of prisoners was taking a mental toll on the SS.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/gassing-operations
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:03 am to tide06
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What happened to Ukraine during that period is unfathomable.
Don't let the Ukrainian people off the hook. They are some of the largest perpetrators of killing their own people. Pretty much every major pogrom in UKR was exterminated BY Ukrainians. Same with Latvia.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:13 am to tigerinexile
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How did they come to the conclusion that Stalin was the lesser evil? I believe he probably killed more Jews and undesirables than the nazis
I highly doubt he killed more Jews because Stalin intentionally recruited Jews into his ranks since they were more likely to want vengeance based on their centuries of discrimination and they were exceptionally violent after WWII in the wake of the Holocaust.
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 8:30 am
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:22 am to Rico Manning
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I saw somewhere that Hitler, Trotsky, Stalin, Tito and also Freud lived in Vienna, Italy at the same time.
Vienna is in Austria, dude.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:28 am to idlewatcher
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Don't let the Ukrainian people off the hook. They are some of the largest perpetrators of killing their own people. Pretty much every major pogrom in UKR was exterminated BY Ukrainians. Same with Latvia.
Yeah, there were several thousand Ukrainian Nazis and their descendants are currently fighting in the Azov Battalion to avenge Papa.
I’ll never forget Trudeau propping up that one guy “Who heroically fought against the Russians during the Second World War.” And then all of Canada’s Parliament applauds the guy. Now I don’t think you have to be a hardcore history buff to think through “Wait a moment. Who was fighting directly against the Russians during WWII?” Oh right, the Nazis.
And this guy wasn’t just any Nazi, but a member of the SS that Poland had been looking for for decades and demanding his extradition to face trial for crimes against humanity. Our governments are so fricking retarded that not one person apparently knew that the Russians fought the Nazis during WWII and think that through.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:36 am to Odysseus32
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Seems like we hear the trump worshippers wanting to do this as well.
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It's happening again and people are laughing about it.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:38 am to tide06
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The Wehrmacht wasn’t the Boy Scouts.
If you failed to follow orders they shot you or sent you into a minefield to clear mines which amounts to the same thing.
I listened to a podcast recently that made a good case that no one was forced to do anything they didn't want to. Everything was voluntary.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:39 am to OMLandshark
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I’ll never forget Trudeau propping up that one guy “Who heroically fought against the Russians during the Second World War.” And then all of Canada’s Parliament applauds the guy. Now I don’t think you have to be a hardcore history buff to think through “Wait a moment. Who was fighting directly against the Russians during WWII?” Oh right, the Nazis.
That's hysterical if true, do you have a source by chance?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:41 am to Mushroom1968
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know from what we always see most were probably hardened soldiers and may not have cared. Surely many developed PTSD, but curious if there were many who refused to do the killings.
What you need to understand is that Nazis weren’t actually humans, like you and me and Anne frank. They were subhuman monsters who killed people with as little thought as you and I blow our noses. So don’t think about questions like this, ever. Just watch Saving Private Ryan again.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:42 am to Breesus
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One of the stories I’ve heard (from a historical tour at a camp) is when new recruits arrived at the camp the ranking member in charge of the camp would explain that anyone who goes into no man’s land would be shot and assign the men to shoot anyone who enters it. And then he’d take one of the new men’s hats and throw it into no mans land. He’d then order him to go fetch it. If he fetched it, he’d get shot in no man’s land, if he refused he was refusing an order from a direct superior and would then be shot. If his recruits refused to shoot the man they too would be shot for disobeying orders.
While I believe you were told this, I’m calling bullshite on this story. Just understanding the Nazi ideology, why would they have a guaranteed kill of an Aryan that would follow an order outside of a Catch-22? Seems to be against their ideology writ large, right? This is more something Saddam Hussein would do but not Adolf Hitler.
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