re: Wisconsin police release deadly shooting of police and paramedics trying to help a man

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If a doctor tells you that you have a disease, and implies or lets you infer that your behavior is therefore not your fault, I think that makes it less likely that the behavior will change, and ultimately the person’s behavior is what has to change

In fact I think the disease paradigm, when not properly understood and contextualized, often enables destructive behavior.

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I agree in the sense that the person can totally use that as an excuse not to change, I just think that such a person would latch on to any reason not to change.

If a person wants to change, recognition as a disease allows a path to treatment / recovery. Going back to the depression comparison, a person can see the doctor and they say they have depression but a person interested in treatment wouldn't go on wanting to be depressed, they would try exercise, meditation, diet change, perhaps medication, etc. to fix the problem.

Same situation for someone who has addiction, recognizes it and wants to change -they will seek help regardless of what it called while those that don't recognize their addiction or want to change will not - regardless of what it is called.

Saying it is a disease doesn't give people free reign to go on being an addict, personal accountability is a big part and I think that is where much of the discussion / argument comes in to play; however, I do think that calling it an addiction gives greater freedom to those that can change or at least want to change to come out of the shadows and seek whatever help may be available to them.

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windshieldman

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Would it be normal for the first responders to feel this guy up when he was out to make sure he didn’t have any weapons?

Also, how did this never become a, “show me your fricking hands” situation?

They guy was acting weird af, was reaching all over himself, had nonsensical excuses as to why he couldn’t obey orders, and just woke up from a damn OD.

Why was this guy allowed to draw on these officers and first responders?

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uway

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Do you think I chose to be an alcoholic?


Not being a smart arse or trying to be a dick FYI, I want your opinion

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The 'disease' excuse is just a way to coddle these fragile people with no self control and no self respect. It's a joke.

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Yeah, you’re the kind of guy I would beat the shite of and love it. And I think statements likes this are ridiculous on the internet.

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Addicts don't give a shite what people think of them, or even what they think of themselves most of the time.

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Sure they do. They are mentally weak. They can't handle criticism of any kind. Just look at this thread. They have every excuse known to man why what they suffer from is a 'disease'. If they didn't care then there would be no reason for this 'disease' nonsense.

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They are mentally weak. They can't handle criticism of any kind. Just look at this thread.

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I guess the question you have to ask yourself then is why do you care so much? Why does it offend you so that the disease concept exists?

Methinks you might need some serious introspection there. You're compensating awfully hard for something.

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It is because you are mentally weak with zero personal responsibility, respect, or control. None.

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That's a terribly misinformed opinion

The majority of alcoholics are functional, at least to a point.

Many people use drugs and alcohol to treat inner pain no differently than you take a Tylenol to help a headache.

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Yeah, you’re the kind of guy I would beat the shite of and love it. And I think statements likes this are ridiculous on the internet.

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you would do no such thing tough guy. I would just sit a bottle of Jack Daniels in front of you and watch as your very fragile mental condition makes you pick it up and start chugging it like a normal person does water or Gatorade after a workout. You are weak. The weakest of the weak and it is why you are having to call something that isn't a disease a 'disease' so you don't succumb and do something even more rash to hurt yourself because you have no self esteem or self control.

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your missing the point dude....a person that is not taking their dialysis medication is not a risk to the public like this dope head OD'ing on a bus while carrying a weapon (im sure with the greatest intent in your mind).

Your not making any sense trying to compare these things to justify your argument.

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No, that's not the point. First of all, there's no such thing as dialysis medication, but that's really not the point either.

The fact that he was carrying a weapon and did something incredibly stupid has absolutely nothing to do with whether addiction is a disease or not. It's entirely unrelated.

Him being an addict is not what caused him to shoot people.

Ray, I don’t take this website seriously but if you lived in BR I would beat the living frick out of you. Knowing I’ll never get that chance, your stance on addiction is the problem