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re: Wisconsin high court tosses out governor’s stay-home order

Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:30 pm to
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17243 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:30 pm to
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The fact that our civil liberties can be stripped in an instant in the name of the public safety is scarier

Reads like the prologue of a dystopian novel



This guy gets it.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:46 pm to
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I get that perception. But surely you realize the President cannot just demand that all states open up like an emperor or a king? He is trying to open up as best as possible within the confines of the rule of law. It is certain states, with certain governors, with certain party affiliations that are resisting opening up.

The rule of law isn’t making him act wishy-washy and contradict himself on the issue in public. That’s a choice. He can be consistent in his message without demanding anything.

Here’s what it looks like to me: Trump wants to reopen. His advisors want a more measured approach. Whether that’s for scientific or political reasons doesn’t really matter - either way there appears to be disagreement. So Trump goes back and forth between an abundance of caution on one end and this whole thing being a hoax on the other end. Meanwhile, the people selected by the administration to be the public faces throughout this thing are pushing another contradictory message.

To me, it looks like Trump is trying to have his cake and eat it too. If this turns out to be a huge overreaction he wants to be able to say “See? I was right all along.” If everything reopens and there’s a devastating second wave of infections he wants to be able to say “The governors made those choices, not us.” Here’s the problem: you can’t accomplish shite without picking a strategy. You can’t have it both ways.

Instead of the administration picking a strategy and communicating it clearly and consistently, we have mixed messages that constantly change depending on the messenger and the venue. We have CDC guidelines. But it’s a hoax. But I didn’t mean an actual hoax. We need to reopen. Georgia screwed up. This isn’t leadership, it’s dysfunction. Hell, you have one side saying “Trump wants to reopen but the governors make the decision” and the other side saying “the governors are following CDC guidelines.” How in the hell can both of these things be true under a competent administration?

And before someone says “but he’s fighting the MSM, and Pelosi, and Obama, and...” ask yourself: are any of these factors really affecting the president’s ability to communicate a strategy, or are they excuses? Did you vote for Trump because you wanted him to obsess over press coverage, or did you vote for him because you wanted him to be a leader?

/rant, downvote away
Posted by lsutigermall
Plantation Trace
Member since Nov 2006
7301 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:28 pm to
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Trump has been waffling on the reopening like he did with Georgia. He needs to get out there and demand everybody open now. Muzzle Fauci. Lay out how the government has breached our civil liberties and that it must be stopped. No phased plans. Etc.

Instead he comes out strong about reopening but then goes "well maybe not everybody, we’ll see, we’ll just need to see" to give him room to do what he did to Kemp.




100% correct. It’s chaos.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
20260 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:31 pm to
I love it!!!!!

Frick all these drama queen politicians that want to put on a big show for no reason
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