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Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:32 pm to USMCTiger03
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From Smith's perspective, even if he and his crew were initially acting unlawfully in going after Hayes (not a fact that I'm aware of btw), once Hayes drew his weapon, Smith would have a duty to retreat, but after doing so, shouldn't he then be justified in using deadly force if Hayes pursued him?
Depends on why he physically withdrew. If he "withdrew" after making a specific threat of violence, like proclaiming he was going to get a gun to show him what to do with it, then C. Hayes could be justified in thinking a threat of life or GBH was still imminent and/or forthcoming.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:33 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
O'neal is hurting Hayes case with these tattoo statements.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:35 pm to Rocky4LSU
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If hayes was a good enough shot to hit RS twice in the legs, why didn't he just cap WS twice in the legs while he was walking to the doorside if he was in fear for his life? 2 hits with a .45 is enough to negate the threat and his progress to retrieve his weapon, trust me.
In self-defense training you are taught to NEVER shoot to wound. EVER. Law enforcement officers are taught the same thing.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:36 pm to GRIZZ
KON now denying Hayes even committed the murder
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:40 pm to rt3
No he isn't.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:41 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Appellate issues everywhere
Maybe Fuller is smirking behind his frown and is baiting the prosecution into saying or doing something to cause a mistrial.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:43 pm to lsupride87
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No he isn't.
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Kevin O'Neal is now passionately saying he didn't see Hayes get out of the car with his gun or shoot anyone. Denies Hayes committed murder.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:43 pm to rt3
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the "tattoos on the face" thing is what will make O'Neal's testimony not all reliable to the jury
I dont think it matters much. PT has already testified that hernandez was the one with his shirt off. maybe he has tattoos all over his body. its not like he had time to stare him down.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:44 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Awesome. He has been denying he committed MURDER the entire time
Kevin O'Neal is now passionately saying he didn't see Hayes get out of the car with his gun or shoot anyone. Denies Hayes committed murder.
He never once said Hayes didnt kill smith
The way the poster phrased it, was that he thought murder was the same as killing
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:46 pm to lsupride87
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The way the poster phrased it, was that he thought murder was the same as killing
Well I agree, but that isn't what you disputed
You're giving that other chap a hard time over his spelling, so figured I'd throw something back your way
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:46 pm to lsupride87
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O'Neal says neither he nor Hayes considered leaving the scene after the shooting. O'Neal says he is accountable.
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O'Neal says he wouldn't come this far and lie to the world. He says he wouldn't lie for anyone, not even his best friend.
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J. Fuller again has Kevin O'Neal say Will Smith and his companions were the aggressors.
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 3m3 minutes ago Fuller: Can the aggressors ever claim self-defense? O'Neal: No. Fuller: That's something you, me and the state can all agree on.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:47 pm to lsupride87
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 1m1 minute ago J. Fuller: Y'all were trying to do right things on night of shooting because they were right, not because y'all were maintaining an image?
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 54s54 seconds ago K. O'Neal: Correct.
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 37s37 seconds ago Recall, throughout the trial, the defense has alleged events after Will Smith's death were motivated by a desire to protect his image.
Nice job of tying in Pierres statement about trying to help protect Smiths image
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:48 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Fair enough
Well I agree, but that isn't what you disputed
You're giving that other chap a hard time over his spelling, so figured I'd throw something back your way
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:49 pm to lsupride87
fuller seems to have done a great job covering for what i thought would be a weak witness.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:51 pm to diat150
Can yall keep posting the twitter feeds? I dont have twitter.
This thread is my only contact with the trial.
This thread is my only contact with the trial.
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:52 pm to diat150
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fuller seems to have done a great job
Man. I am just not seeing what you're seeing.
Fuller is good and has done a good job overall, and to me drastically increased Hayes chances which I had at 0% pre-trial (now probably at 25% currently), but the O'Neill stuff to me has been laughably transparent.
He tried really really hard to make chicken salad out of chicken shite but O'Niel was that bad.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:53 pm to nola000
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J. Fuller alluding again to how the media got video of the 1st collision on Magazine Street before the police probing Smith's death did.
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 3m3 minutes ago J. Fuller has Kevin O'Neal reiterate that he saw more than he heard due to the chaotic fracas after the 2nd crash on the night Smith died
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 1m1 minute ago It seems Fuller could be having O'Neal say that to illustrate to the jury why he didn't hear Smith threaten to go get his gun before he was shot...
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:55 pm to lsupride87
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 3m3 minutes ago Fuller: Can the aggressors ever claim self-defense? O'Neal: No. Fuller: That's something you, me and the state can all agree on.
Guess I didn't realize the dead guy was trying to claim self defense, or was the one on trial for that matter.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:55 pm to Fun Bunch
I'm with you on this one. I don't believe much of anything this O'Neil guy is saying.
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