re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter

I think the ADA doesn't prove that Will don't make Hayes fear for his life.

So if Hayes invokes self defense and it isn't proved other wise, he should walk completely and that would cover both M2 and Manslaugher, am I correct?

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So if Hayes invokes self defense and it isn't proved other wise, he should walk completely and that would cover both M2 and Manslaugher, am I correct?

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I don't see Hayes walking completely. If he had shot Hernandez I could see it but, from what I have seen, Smith was walking away, and was shot in his left side which meant his back was to his car. That really makes it hard to claim self defense.

I dno RT... it just feels like for some reason the whole altercation between smith and hayes hasn't been discussed that much

They've spent so much time worried about that retard running around with his shirt off and what everyone else was doing


That makes me think that fuller doesn't want to go there and could be why he's been all over the place with his questioning

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I dno RT... it just feels like for some reason the whole altercation between smith and hayes hasn't been discussed that much

They've spent so much time worried about that retard running around with his shirt off and what everyone else was doing


That makes me think that fuller doesn't want to go there and could be why he's been all over the place with his questioning

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exactly... it feels like a red herring "look over here look over here" tactic by Fuller

there's just something that the only unbiased bystander who even heard a mention of the word "gun" said it came from O'Neal... not Smith or anyone from Smith's party

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shot in his left side which meant his back was to his car.

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yeah I get that but none of us have been in a situation where we feel we are in danger of our lives and have to shoot someone. He could have been point blank changing cardell and cardell decides to pull the gun and within fractions of a second WS turns and gets the first bullet in the side and second in the back. Not far fetched and with judgment literally being fractions of a second and having fear for your life:

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There is no evidence saying that WS didn't escalate it during the heightened ordeal c

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My gripe with the court proceedings is the lack of testimony discussing Hayes and Smith. Words alone don't allow Hayes to shoot Smith regardless of what is said. So far there is a witness saying Will Smith didn't do anything that deserved to get him shot and not much to the contrary.

The examiner says he was shot in his left side which puts his back to his vehicle during some part of the shooting.

It is entirely possible that the altercation between Smith and Hayes got physical, or Smith said he was going to get his gun and then started to turn around to walk towards his car.

Unfortunately for Hayes, that portion of the altercation hasn't really been discussed or corroborated in much detail except in a speculative manner.

I don't need the luck, Hayes does

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becauae no one witnessed it....

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b/c that situation was calm compared to Hernandez & O'Neal... thus drawing everyone's attention

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becauae no one witnessed it.... so good luck proving CH wasn't fearing for his life

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I thought a part of Lousisna self defense law was meet force with force. If Smith didn't have a gun on him, wouldn't that suggest that Hayes was not meeting force with force?

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I'm convinced that Hayes is convicted, regardless of his testimony. There just isn't anyone out there that will be able to back up any new claims he will make about what actually happened that night, even if they are true.

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I figured his chances were dim... but he still had a little something there when the prosecution rested

but that all went away when the private eye took the stand... he was literally that bad of a witness... esp. in the #1 hole for the defense