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re: Will North Korea ever be liberated?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:30 am to The Goon Squad
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:30 am to The Goon Squad
Don't forget the forced New Iberia haircuts.
It's a joke, but as a nation, they have a kind of legal right to be as shitty as they like. For this reason, they will never change unless they are destroyed or the rest of the world gets swept up by their false philosophy.
There are people who want to do this to the whole world and worse, people who are so guilt-ridden and browbeaten by propaganda and shrill activism that they would welcome it when it comes.
It's a joke, but as a nation, they have a kind of legal right to be as shitty as they like. For this reason, they will never change unless they are destroyed or the rest of the world gets swept up by their false philosophy.
There are people who want to do this to the whole world and worse, people who are so guilt-ridden and browbeaten by propaganda and shrill activism that they would welcome it when it comes.
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:35 am to beaver
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hahahaha no
ISIS, a ragtag group of jihadists, has damn near taken over Syria and if they had kept going would have taken the rest of Iraq; all because the West refuses to intervene.
North Korea is a nuclear power with very powerful allies and a huge population that will fight unconditionally for their "god" leader. If they attacked South Korea they could definitely regain huge amounts of territory and their supposed nuclear capability would scare the shite out of an American public that is tired of war and has taken on a new nationalist point of view.
Look at what Japan was capable of in WWII and how much territory they conquered in Manchuria and other parts of China, as well as the Philippines, Singapore, etc.
Also, you realize that we didn't win the Korean War? It ended in a ceasefire that is still in place. The war is technically not over.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 12:38 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:41 am to Corkfather
Isn't north Korea one of the most malnourished countries in the world?
People talk that if they were to go to war that they would be annihilated in a very short amount of time.
No truth to any of this?
People talk that if they were to go to war that they would be annihilated in a very short amount of time.
No truth to any of this?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:44 am to Deactived
I have serious doubts that army could run sufficient supply lines without Russian or Chinese assistance, and neither is interested in helping them war with the South. Bad for business
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:45 am to Deactived
The UN forces moved through North Korea fairly easily during the war until they spooked China and they got involved.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:46 am to Teddy Ruxpin
Just speaking on their ability to fight a war, not all the extracurriculars that go along with the enemy getting supplies there
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:54 am to Deactived
an Army marches on its stomach.
troops would revolt in a month.
eventually China will invade cause they need the pussy
troops would revolt in a month.
eventually China will invade cause they need the pussy
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:55 am to Deactived
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Just speaking on their ability to fight a war,
So am I. Supply lines are everything. What good is an army that can't move?
The point being discussed was an invasion of the south. The north has a huge army that could certainly do the job, but I doubt they have the ability to move that army into the south without massive logistical support from China.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 12:57 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:05 am to Teddy Ruxpin
Oh I gotcha.
I was kinda talking about a country invading them. I'd imagine them (NK) moving their army anywhere would be a nightmare without any support
I was kinda talking about a country invading them. I'd imagine them (NK) moving their army anywhere would be a nightmare without any support
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:25 am to Corkfather
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a huge population that will fight unconditionally for their "god" leader.
This isn't as true as some of you believe. Although the soldiers are rationed more, they're still hungry. If the military ever mobilized, they would not fight for long once crossing into the south.
Most have heard about the lifestyles the South and other developed countries live through radio broadcasts and illegally smuggled media. They have movies from the south as well as tv shows
From everything I've read and seen, many realize the Kims are not really god. They just fear the retribution of not acknowledging them as a god
Also their military is not as advanced as you are leading on. They likely do not have a capable nuclear bomb yet (edit to add I mean that they would be able to launch and hit a target accurately), and they are still using a lot of outdated Cold War technology. The US would supply weapons and support to the south, whether openly or not. It's estimated that if NK made an initial blow against Seoul, 70% of their artillery batteries along the border (the ones that can reach Seoul) could be neutralized within days
In sum, many would die but the North would never take over the South completely, and what progress they did make would not last. Many will die either way. Reunification is a pipe-dream at the moment that should not even be talked about seriously
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 1:39 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:17 am to beaver
My point is that NK's actual capabilities are irrelevant. The American people will not support another war right now and if NK were able to gain support from its allies, we'd probably stay out of it solely out of fear. We'd support South Korea but if NK had China and/or Russia's support they could take the SK forces.
I'm really just playing devil's advocate here but if all of the cards lined up just right, the consequences could be disastrous; and I think the chances of that happening are far greater than liberation of NK and removal of Kim from power.
I'm really just playing devil's advocate here but if all of the cards lined up just right, the consequences could be disastrous; and I think the chances of that happening are far greater than liberation of NK and removal of Kim from power.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 2:19 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:33 am to Corkfather
I think most likely is a revolution as more and more DVDs and newspapers flow in from china and South Korea
I honestly don't think Russia and China would support NK if push came to shove.
I honestly don't think Russia and China would support NK if push came to shove.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:40 am to beaver
I agree that the likelihood of China or Russia going to war in support of N. Korea is an extremely long shot, but crazier things have happened. Not to mention the fact that Putin has already proven to the world that he will invade and occupy sovereign territory for the sole purpose of strengthening Russia's global position, i.e. Crimea (and what may ultimately become the whole of Ukraine).
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 2:42 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:54 am to Corkfather
My take. If push came to shove, the north would break out nukes very fast. The Kim's would have nothing to loose by using what they have. There nukes are not big and besides that, they would most likely use dirty bombs to spread nuke waste. They would also draw in Japan by shooting missiles there with a small nuke or two just for the hell of it.
We still have 38K troops there and yes, we would jump right in in a heart beat.
We still have 38K troops there and yes, we would jump right in in a heart beat.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:12 am to Corkfather
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Corkfather
Your hypotheticals are really stupid.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:13 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:18 am to BobRoss
I've already stated that I'm playing devil's advocate, not to mention this entire thread is based on a hypothetical. Still, none of that changes the fact that they're plausible and based on both historical fact and current global politics.
Here's an idea... maybe try countering with an argument of your own and elaborating on why you feel a certain way as opposed to just labeling someone else's thoughts as "stupid" solely because you have nothing else of actual value to contribute.
Here's an idea... maybe try countering with an argument of your own and elaborating on why you feel a certain way as opposed to just labeling someone else's thoughts as "stupid" solely because you have nothing else of actual value to contribute.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:19 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:27 am to Corkfather
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Corkfather
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:32 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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Yes. The Chinese are about fed up with them and the country is near ruin. Either the country is liberated by its failure as a state or, the Chinese somehow force reform, which would weaken the family dynasty.
I could def see China just going in a cleaning house, id be pissed as well if NK was testing nukes in my backyard.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:37 am to Corkfather
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Look at what Japan was capable of in WWII and how much territory they conquered in Manchuria and other parts of China, as well as the Philippines, Singapore, etc.
NK does not have the means and logistical capability to do what Japan did. Just b/c you have the boots does not mean shite. You also need the means to transport them. SK, Japan, China and our military would light them up before they could get out of the Korean peninsula.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:40 am to fishfighter
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My take. If push came to shove, the north would break out nukes very fast. The Kim's would have nothing to loose by using what they have. There nukes are not big and besides that, they would most likely use dirty bombs to spread nuke waste. They would also draw in Japan by shooting missiles there with a small nuke or two just for the hell of it.
We still have 38K troops there and yes, we would jump right in in a heart beat.
The North Koreans don't have any way of delivering a nuke anywhere. I'm not even sure they've enriched uranium. They barely have electricity and their entire grid fails all the time, yet you're going to tell me they have nukes and a way to deliver them? bullshite. They launch regular artillery at Japan all the time and about 95% of the time it ends up in the ocean. They're still using 60's era MIGs and tanks that have been outdated since 1980. We'd skull frick them. China would likely support reunification because they would no longer have to worry about supporting a wack job regime. All those North Koreans would become the Souths problem.
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