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re: Why you should hope life isn't found in space: The Fermi Paradox / Great Filter

Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:30 pm to
Germans
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:31 pm to
All true.

The article also talks about the possibility of aliens visiting cavemen.
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:32 pm to
Or they could be keeping their mouth shut, because raiding aliens (like vikings back in the day) will come and frick shite up.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:33 pm to
The existence of other intelligent life, or lack thereof, is not sufficient evidence to back up this theory of a great filter.

Also, this theory is incredibly moronic simply because of the fact that it is inevitable that our species will end.

That is a fact. Everything eventually dies.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 9:33 pm
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:34 pm to
It's all very heady stuff. I believe it's out collective destiny to colonize other planets just like our ancestors colonized the Americas. We just have to keep the barbarian hordes from destroying our institutions of learning like they have periodically throughout history.
Posted by ellunchboxo
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:35 pm to
I still think we are the aliens.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:39 pm to
Why would there have to be a great filter at this stage in our evolution? Seriously, you'd think that once fungi naturally occurred that it would be a bit late for it.
Posted by USMCTiger03
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:43 pm to
Incredibly fascinating.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:43 pm to
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Which means we are probably alone in the Universe.



There are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on all the beaches in the world. I find that incredibly hard to believe that we're the only one to beat the odds.
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:45 pm to
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Or, ya know, there's the whole God thing too.


What's that got to do with it?
Posted by USMCTiger03
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:46 pm to
Is the issue that, if the Great Filter is ahead of us we could be behind the curve with other life out there?
Posted by DanTiger
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:49 pm to
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Also, this theory is incredibly moronic simply because of the fact that it is inevitable that our species will end.


For once we agree. I believe that the universe is teeming with life but that life ends before any intelligent life can travel to other galaxies or other solar systems. We cannot move at the speed of light and, I believe, before we ever will some catastrophic event will kill our species just as it is likely to do on other planets. Space is a very dangerous place and our species hasn't existed for even the blink of an eye in relation to the time our universe has existed. The only way I could see the inhabitants of one planet contacting another is if they happened to exist in the same solar system. I also tend to believe that life came to earth from a meteorite and that that is likely how all life is spread throughout the universe.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:51 pm to
see sig
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:51 pm to
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Is the issue that, if the Great Filter is ahead of us we could be behind the curve with other life out there?



My interpretation is that if the GF is ahead of us then we will probably experience an event that will eliminate our species. What I took from the article is that the GF probably happens at a point before a civilization is advanced enough to truly reach out across the galaxy (see the colonization information above).

With the numbers and time involved just in our galaxy, I read it to mean that if a civilization reached that point we should be seeing evidence in our own solar system by now.

ETA: I have my own religious beliefs, however I am really only discussing the theory presented here.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 9:53 pm
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:52 pm to
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For once we agree. I believe that the universe is teeming with life but that life ends before any intelligent life can travel to other galaxies or other solar systems. We cannot move at the speed of light and, I believe, before we ever will some catastrophic event will kill our species just as it is likely to do on other planets. Space is a very dangerous place and our species hasn't existed for even the blink of an eye in relation to the time our universe has existed. The only way I could see the inhabitants of one planet contacting another is if they happened to exist in the same solar system. I also tend to believe that life came to earth from a meteorite and that that is likely how all life is spread throughout the universe.
Scruffy could argue with some of what you said in there, but he won't.

Lets just enjoy this moment where we actually agree on something.

Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:52 pm to
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So where are the others?



What the frick are you talking about. It takes an incredible degree of narcissism to think we're important enough for all races of aliens to come visit with us or wish to communicate with us, especially after we said "frick a space program in the name of bombing brown people". Seriously, if they started watching us in 1900, then their thoughts likely aren't high on us as a species.

Plus not only why do you have the audacity to think they communicate through radio waves, but you're also ignorant enough to think that radio waves stay consistent through the cosmos. In reality, even if we have been picking up on some sort of signal 10,000 light years away, we wouldn't be able to recognize it or decode it since it would have long scattered at that point, and we'd simply think it was radiation from other stars.

And to take bring my point home:

Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:54 pm to
Have you read the entire linked article? It discusses several scenarios that dovetail with what you are saying.

I didn't create this theory BTW.
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:54 pm to
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This wouldn't be a bad bet. It's very difficult for that step to occur--otherwise we would have seen it happen repeatedly throughout the history of the earth.


How do you know that it hasn't?
Posted by LSU1NSEC
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:55 pm to
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The only way I could see the inhabitants of one planet contacting another is if they happened to exist in the same solar system.



quantum entanglement (or something more advanced) would probably be the communication method - intragalactic
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:57 pm to
Two things I feel good about:

Our species will end(although it may be another hundred thousand years or more.

With a universe more vast than we will ever be able to comprehend and a number of stars and planets that we also might never be able to accurately estimate, it seems extremely closed minded to declare that we are the only inteligent life in the universe.
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