re: Why is discrimination against Muslims Americans so openly supported and lauded?

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We've already seen what happened when a bunch of motorcyclist 'Necks set up a muhammad drawing contest right outside a mosque. You know what? There was no violence and some of them even went home thinking a little differently that day about the people they were mocking.

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That's not how I remember it. A couple of Muslim nuts came out to this one.
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Go ahead and try it then. Report back from the hospital with your results.

I'm going to spend a little more time on this, than maybe it's worth, considering who the OP is. But I realized I have complex thoughts and feel like it'd be good to get them down.

I don't think Muslim violence is a black or white question. I don't think it's as simple as XX% of Muslims are not themselves violent and Y% are in fact violent. I think it's a gray scale with a lot of in between.

It takes a lot of below-surface sympathy, or at least indifference, across the Muslim world for radical Islam to be so firmly entrenched as it is. We're not talking about a bunch of beer-bellied Klansmen burning crosses on someone's land at night where no one can see them. We're not talking about priests not giving communion to a gay couple. With ISIS, we're literally talking about a Caliphate that has carved out a country-sized portion of the most historical place in the world.



A group that beheads westerners for being westerners, and have kids host the broadcast of them doing so, has taken over one of the most historically significant swaths of our planet and is bloodthirsty not to stop. This doesn't even address the existing theocracies and relgiously-driven societies and how vehemently opposed they are to liberal thought and freedom. How they turn a blind eye to terrorist camps, movement of money to purchase weapons to be used against their and our civilians, etc.

The native Muslim world, politically, culturally is in shambles. And it's literally centuries behind the rest of the world. That's a generalization, sure, there are surely pockets of Muslim-controlled areas that are not a threat to 21st century values (whether they are under threat of radical Islam themselves is another question). But what standard are we to hold Islam to? Turn a blind eye to overwhelming reality and pretend its anything but the framework their faith contributes?

But your question is about Muslims here, and clearly that is a more sensitive issue.

The truth is we are scared. And I don't think irrationally so. The World Trade Centers were chosen, but that could have been any of us. And if you thought you were safe, is was because of circumstances of where you worked, not because of who you were or anything else under your control. Random shootings, beheadings, bombs, all over the western world. That could be you that was standing at the finish line of the boston marathon, or on a train in Madrid. They cared not one bit what your personal tolerances for them were.

If I were to speak candidly to the international moderate Muslim nation, it would be this- they aren't doing their part to fix this issue or combat the pollution radical Islam is doing to them. Radical Islam will only truly be defeated by a cultural revolution within the faith, that crosses borders, where the peaceful show more strength than the violent. Where they literally are out in the world, winning back their brothers and sisters of faith by any means necessary so that the faith doesn't get driven into the ground by violent Muslims. I'm not talking about an Imam saying something I want to hear to a congregation in Deerborn, Michigan. I mean thousands of them slamming their fists in anger and making it their mission in life to take global control of the faith, or at least the direction of it. Unless I havent been paying attention, I haven't seen this hunger for them that elevates leaders and overthrows violence in their homeland.

I think the cynic in me doesn't think they have the fight in them, or that they don't see the need. At worst, maybe too many of the peaceful ones are silently pulling for the bad guys because they've also bought into the narrative of the big bad West. I think one of the above must be true considering we haven't seen the peaceful revolution that is accepting of non-believers, of equal rights and privileges of women, and of free thought and speech at least without violent or medieval response. I think the droves of western Muslim youths leaving to fight the cause is evidence that Muslim society is not all in on uniting against violence and ostracizing violent Islam.

The fact is, there were time periods (maybe the majority of our history) where state-sponsored Christianity was just as bad or worse. The only reason I can speak so plainly about my thoughts is to know that the Christian west had to undergo a similar transformation as what is now required of the Muslim world. The Inquisition, conquest of the New World, colonization. It's a bad legacy. But that's the beauty of it, you don't have to live by that legacy. I would just ask they also cross the bridge over to our side of the water.

Christian/secular west is by no means perfect. But again, you don't see constant war and violence in our pockets of the world that you see in theirs. And you certainly don't see our extreme elements with enough strength (and relative weakness of upstanding society) to take over a country-sized chunk of land so easily.

Well, you have two choices:
A) recognize that there are several passages in the Koran forbidding not only violence, but forbidding even the pressing of non-Muslims to become Muslims,
B) Be an ignorant a-hole

That's black people. SS=white boy.

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Well, you have two choices:
A) recognize that there are several passages in the Koran forbidding not only violence, but forbidding even the pressing of non-Muslims to become Muslims,

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There are also several advocating violence. It's a deeply flawed, contradictory man made religion

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You're just being a stupid racist.

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I always know when I have proven my point and won the discussion. The opposition stoops to name calling.

Goodnight my friend.

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Why is the Levant a shitshow, whereas Indonesia, the world's most populous Islamic nation, far less touched by violence, for instance.

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I was also going to point that out. It's interesting and I think lends clear evidence that Islam can be a good thing just as anything else.

The short version of my original post is this- that Islamaphobia will surely subside (it's not like Buddhists, Hindus, etc get a bad wrap in the west) when radical Islam is marginalized. Of course that isn't fair for the majority of Western muslims that are peaceful. But they are brothers/sisters in faith with a very degenerate and sizable portion of Muslims and if I'm giving out tough love, they should be out on the front lines, wrestling to the death to elevate the good over the bad. Christianity had to do it too, and it didn't happen overnight.

I'm hoping in 5-10 generations, it's a non-issue.

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Even the part about Christians and yourself being an atheist. I am a Christian. I bear no ill feelings toward you and will fight for your right to believe as you want. I am not alone. We live in peace. Even the super kooks at Westboro don't want to kill people.

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I'm not an atheist. I am Episcopalian, and while I am frustrated with much of Christianity, they are nothing comparable to the Islamic World.