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re: Why is abortion such a huge deal?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:29 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:29 pm to RobbBobb
quote:In keeping with your example, how do we actually solve either of these problems?
The same people screaming about taking your guns because 18 children were killed in Uvalde, are essentially the same people screaming that women should be allowed to do the same. Yet to millions of kids
You are ending a life. Some do it with a scalpel, some with a gun
If you are upset about how an unhinged man took life in an elementary school, then you shouldnt give unhinged women (see: Amber Heard) a pass on doing the same
Murder is illegal, but that obviously does not prevent murder. Making guns illegal won't prevent very many murders either. Likewise making abortion illegal won't prevent very many abortions. These things just give us a way to punish people for their actions.
Do we want to solve problems or punish people?
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:31 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
Well from a moral standpoint murder is a pretty big deal. For that reason, I like the Supreme Court decision.
I don't think this has really been thought out very well.
Let's concede that being human begins at conception, and abortion at any point is murder. Now we've invited the state into the womb to protect the rights of this human that can't fend for itself.
Fine.
But now, what happens when there's a miscarriage? Should that be investigated as a potential negligent homicide? And how can the state be aware of all the potential humans whose rights it must protect? Should all pregnancies be registered with the state just like births are now? And can we trust the government to conduct competent investigations to where they are not throwing innocent women in jail for having miscarriages?
It's a slippery slope.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:36 pm to caro81
quote:
you forgot the 3rd part who thinks its an issue of the constitution which in *most* cases is the cowardly way of that person saying they are just happy the democrats "lost" at something.
Well, quite frankly, since we live in America this is the MOST important part.
The judges ruled that this "issue" wasn't up to them to decide but rather up to the people.
The fact that liberals are upset over this just goes to show how bad they want uncle sam to be their daddy.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:38 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
there is no pro-life legislation seeking to criminalize women who suffer natural miscarriages.
quote:
It's a slippery slope.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:39 pm to Klark Kent
I don't know why we can't let states and communities decide.
Don't Democrats love Democracy?
Don't Democrats love Democracy?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:43 pm to Klark Kent
quote:Who determines whether it was natural? Law enforcement has to determine whether they suspect foul play when a human dies, and proceed accordingly, right?
there is no pro-life legislation seeking to criminalize women who suffer natural miscarriages.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I don't know why we can't let individuals decide.
I don't know why we can't let states and communities decide.
Don't Democrats love Democracy?
Don't conservatives like privacy?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:45 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Very.
But now, what happens when there's a miscarriage? Should that be investigated as a potential negligent homicide? And how can the state be aware of all the potential humans whose rights it must protect? Should all pregnancies be registered with the state just like births are now? And can we trust the government to conduct competent investigations to where they are not throwing innocent women in jail for having miscarriages?
It's a slippery slope.
I think most states and legislation specifies that the person performing the abortion is breaking the law rather than the mother, but it's doubtful that will remain so.
And what about IVF treatments? It will be more difficult for people who want children to have them because now we need even bigger government to determine what to do with unneeded embryos. Who will pay to keep them "alive" forever? How many doctors will refuse to do it due to the liability? How much will costs go up?
There are a lot of things that we will now have to rely on government to sort out due to this new lack of individual privacy.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:46 pm to Palmetto98
quote:Not at all. Short-circuiting the process that's responsible for our very existence is just no big deal. Don't see why people get so upset about snuffing out existence.
Am I just an naive idiot?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:47 pm to Klark Kent
quote:
there is no pro-life legislation seeking to criminalize women who suffer natural miscarriages.
There are already laws on the books criminalizing negligent homicide. How do you know if it's a natural or induced miscarriage? If it's natural, fine, people die. If it was induced, isn't that some kind of homicide if not murder?
This is now a person's life we're talking about. If they die, shouldn't we be getting to the bottom of exactly how it happened? Isn't that the actual job of the government?
Slippery slopes are funny now, aren't they?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:47 pm to Korkstand
feel free to speculate based on if's, i'm just providing the fact that there is no pro-life legislation seeking to criminalize women who suffer natural miscarriages.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:47 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I don't know why we can't let individuals decide.
What makes abortion special? Should we do this with burglary, arson, etc?
You do realize half the country doesn't believe it's "harmless" and kills a fetus...
If you are ok doing this with every potential crime...
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:48 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Slippery slopes are funny now, aren't they?
i've been told 1000x times by a certain segment of the OT population that slippery slopes do not exist. so i don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:49 pm to Palmetto98
If you have to ask, I doubt you've given any serious thought to this issue whatsoever. Which you may admit to freely, but it's one of those "if you have to ask you'll never know," things to me.
Murdering babies is not "no big deal" as you seem to think.
Murdering babies is not "no big deal" as you seem to think.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:55 pm to Klark Kent
quote:
i don't know what to tell you.
Obviously not since you won't answer how the government should deal with miscarriages.
We're just inviting the government right into women's wombs - without even asking. "Small government" my arse.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:56 pm to Klark Kent
quote:Of course there won't be legislation seeking to criminalize women for "natural" miscarriages. But when we define human life at conception and abortion as murder, it's not really speculation to see the obvious outcome of that.
feel free to speculate based on if's, i'm just providing the fact that there is no pro-life legislation seeking to criminalize women who suffer natural miscarriages.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:57 pm to Palmetto98
For 98% of Americans, it's really not.
White women just have to feel important and feel like they are "making a difference" so you see their drivel all over social media about whatever liberal agenda is being pushed by the media at that moment in time. It makes the number of people that actually care seem much higher.
White women just have to feel important and feel like they are "making a difference" so you see their drivel all over social media about whatever liberal agenda is being pushed by the media at that moment in time. It makes the number of people that actually care seem much higher.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:58 pm to Korkstand
quote:
we will now have to rely on government
I'm fine getting government out of our lives if you are.
Lets do it. Lets vote for the smallest possible government with the fewest regulations possible.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Nothing, now. It is basically equivalent to murder. Hence the slippery slope as far as how far we will go in investigating and prosecuting these murders.
What makes abortion special?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 1:58 pm to Korkstand
okay, let's circle back when that happens. until then...
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