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re: Why are women so difficult to deal with in a work situation?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:41 am to Slippy
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:41 am to Slippy
Women in sales are the absolute worst in the workplace, in my experience.
I worked for 18 months as the only male on a 6 person sales team. Holy crap what an absolute nightmare it was, outside of the money. They couldn't understand how I was exceeding sales goals every month at a rate faster than they did & I was catching up to the top 2 month to month. All I did was ignore them as much as I could & do my job. I took 30 min for lunch when they regularly took 60-90 min, usually always all 5 of them going together. Which is where I picked up most of my additional sales...they never put 2 & 2 together.
Every single mistake they made was brushed off & covered up by each other as best they could. But holy hell if I made any mistake whatsoever, it was cause for a damn sales team meeting & review, claiming I was stealing a customer or just not paying attention to the salesrotation. .After a few rounds of that, I started taking down specific notes of their mistakes that they would then pounce on me for making. At the next review meeting I simply pulled the notes out & dropped them on the conference table. HR shut them down real quick.
The best was when they'd talk every single morning from 8-930am/until the daily sales meeting about everything under the sun in their miserable lives. 1 was building a house. Another was engaged/planning a wedding. Another had 3 kids in MS & HS. They'd take & make personal calls all during that time as well. Which, I didn't care at all because I'd land the inbound calls while they clucked. Any personal call of mine, I'd answer then leave the bullpen once I realized it would take any time other than a "yes/no/ok". Twice I took calls from my kids' school to get them picked up for sickness. I made quick calls to the wife or grandparents to help out while I knocked out computer work. You'd have thought I started the personal phone call war of all wars. We had an immediate meeting that 2nd call afternoon to discuss office policy on personal calls.
Fortunately, HR & IT were ready as they produced dozens of phone records & recordings (everything was recorded on the phones) of their home building + wedding planning + all their own children BS. It took all I had not to bust out laughing that entire meeting.
I worked for 18 months as the only male on a 6 person sales team. Holy crap what an absolute nightmare it was, outside of the money. They couldn't understand how I was exceeding sales goals every month at a rate faster than they did & I was catching up to the top 2 month to month. All I did was ignore them as much as I could & do my job. I took 30 min for lunch when they regularly took 60-90 min, usually always all 5 of them going together. Which is where I picked up most of my additional sales...they never put 2 & 2 together.
Every single mistake they made was brushed off & covered up by each other as best they could. But holy hell if I made any mistake whatsoever, it was cause for a damn sales team meeting & review, claiming I was stealing a customer or just not paying attention to the salesrotation. .After a few rounds of that, I started taking down specific notes of their mistakes that they would then pounce on me for making. At the next review meeting I simply pulled the notes out & dropped them on the conference table. HR shut them down real quick.
The best was when they'd talk every single morning from 8-930am/until the daily sales meeting about everything under the sun in their miserable lives. 1 was building a house. Another was engaged/planning a wedding. Another had 3 kids in MS & HS. They'd take & make personal calls all during that time as well. Which, I didn't care at all because I'd land the inbound calls while they clucked. Any personal call of mine, I'd answer then leave the bullpen once I realized it would take any time other than a "yes/no/ok". Twice I took calls from my kids' school to get them picked up for sickness. I made quick calls to the wife or grandparents to help out while I knocked out computer work. You'd have thought I started the personal phone call war of all wars. We had an immediate meeting that 2nd call afternoon to discuss office policy on personal calls.
Fortunately, HR & IT were ready as they produced dozens of phone records & recordings (everything was recorded on the phones) of their home building + wedding planning + all their own children BS. It took all I had not to bust out laughing that entire meeting.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:44 am
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:27 am to Slippy
As a woman, I hate working with women. 
I’ve been told repeatedly by male coworkers that I’m not a problem female employee. I don’t gossip, I hide my smiles and cries in the workplace, and I can shittalk sports in the workplace because my dad didn’t realize he was raising a daughter.
Still, I’m teleworking from home for the third day in a row because of my own illness and being up with a sick kid. If I were a male coworker, I’d be pissed.
I’ve been told repeatedly by male coworkers that I’m not a problem female employee. I don’t gossip, I hide my smiles and cries in the workplace, and I can shittalk sports in the workplace because my dad didn’t realize he was raising a daughter.
Still, I’m teleworking from home for the third day in a row because of my own illness and being up with a sick kid. If I were a male coworker, I’d be pissed.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:56 am to Slippy
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Women create drama. Gossip and jealousy, stuff like that. Complaining about each other. They always seem to be keeping score.
You really think only women do this? I see you have never worked on a construction site or a union shop?
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 4:52 am
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:58 am to CaptainBrannigan
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You really think only women for this? I see you have never worked on a construction site or a union shop?
Thank you. I wanted to add this to my post, but I didn’t want to be flamed as the newbie.
Absolutely the truth.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:07 am to Slippy
Work in it or the tech field. Men in this field are as bad or worse. So much backstabbing, egos, and power trips.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:38 am to lsufanintexas
I’ve worked with women at every job I’ve had, and it’s the same at each job; women absolutely get special treatment over men. Also, imagine working with a woman that holds a job title you’re trying to go after. It’s absolute hell.
I tell my wife (no pics) each week to stay out of the drama at her work. shite spreads like wildfire
I tell my wife (no pics) each week to stay out of the drama at her work. shite spreads like wildfire
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:05 am to Slippy
I had to tell this scallywog last week that it was really important that we get along if she wants to keep her job.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:09 am to Slippy
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women
The answer you seek is in the very question you have asked.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:16 am to LSUWoodworker
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Never trust anything that bleeds 7 days a month and lives.
Original, and it's not that long.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 6:17 am
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:22 am to forever lsu30
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I started taking down specific notes of their mistakes that they would then pounce on me for making. At the next review meeting I simply pulled the notes out & dropped them on the conference table. HR shut them down real quick.
They broke you. You are doing what they did.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:53 am to Slippy
I don't think it's anywhere close to all women, but I have encountered it in the workplace.
Its ego driven. It can be the same for men if you have a bunch of prideful, egotistical men who don't feel bonded to a common purpose.
Put a group of women together that have been worshipped since they were middle and high schoolers by every guy around them. They are basically told that if people find you attractive, you can get whatever you want. Complete opposite for most guys. You are told your value is based on what you earn/can do. For those types of women, they are always angling to appear better than they are, because appearance is everything.
I think the women that were raised with some actual values and humility, you don't see those same issues nearly as much. And honestly, the women that were raised well in many cases are as good or better bosses, because they bring less ego than most men.
Paraphrasing from Proverbs...
"Like a gold ring in a pig's snout, is a beautiful women that lacks discretion."
Its ego driven. It can be the same for men if you have a bunch of prideful, egotistical men who don't feel bonded to a common purpose.
Put a group of women together that have been worshipped since they were middle and high schoolers by every guy around them. They are basically told that if people find you attractive, you can get whatever you want. Complete opposite for most guys. You are told your value is based on what you earn/can do. For those types of women, they are always angling to appear better than they are, because appearance is everything.
I think the women that were raised with some actual values and humility, you don't see those same issues nearly as much. And honestly, the women that were raised well in many cases are as good or better bosses, because they bring less ego than most men.
Paraphrasing from Proverbs...
"Like a gold ring in a pig's snout, is a beautiful women that lacks discretion."
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:08 am to kingbob
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kingbob
So start hitting women?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:10 am to Slippy
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Slippy
Just quit your job. Every week you seem to have some major issue revolving around your occupation.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:13 am to mmmmmbeeer
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kingbob
So start hitting women?
No, just start raising them as children to understand that there are real consequences for acting like a c%nt. Men learn that they can't do that because, as children and teenagers and even as adults, people will literally respond to men behaving like c&nts with physical violence. If you're a douchebag in a bar, someone in that bar may decide to drag your arse outside and beat you within an inch of your life. Women are raised without that fear that being vicious, petty, selfish, and obnoxious could lead to serious, concrete consequences.
You don't need to beat people to make them understand this, you just have to start exposing them to consequences for that behavior by establishing that it's not going to be tolerated. In a relationship, call them out on it, be honest, don't give in to it, and make it known that it's not acceptable. If she won't change, dump her. In the work place, establish a company culture that states that that behavior is completely unacceptable. When it happens, call them out and warn them that the next time they do that will be the last. Enforce that policy evenly, and if they screw up again, can them for cause.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:16 am to kingbob
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you just have to start exposing them to consequences for that behavior by establishing that it's not going to be tolerated
This always circles back to leadership. I don't advocate micromanagement, but it's up to the top to set the tone for every single employee.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:20 am to Slagathor
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I don't advocate micromanagement, but it's up to the top to set the tone for every single employee.
If there is one aspect of job performance that absolutely requires micromanagement from the very top, it is attitude towards other employees. Bad attitudes are poison for employee moral and productivity. People will literally stay in dead-end jobs and forgo massive raises in pay for years simply because they legitimately enjoy working with the people around them. On the flip side, they will take massive pay cuts and move far far away to escape a toxic workplace environment. Bad apples must first be shown that they are bad, then given a chance to ripen. If they can't, they have to be eliminated post-haste.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:24 am to kingbob
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Bad apples must first be shown that they are bad, then given a chance to ripen. If they can't, they have to be eliminated post-haste.
Agree wholeheartedly. IMO everyone in this thread currently "suffering" at the hands of female co-workers is also working under terrible leadership. Toxic employees must be excised like cancer before it can spread.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:28 am to scott8811
Took me too long to realize working with women is different than with men.
Told the receptionist here "you don't need to print an email and hand it to me, just forward that shite, I'll see it" and it caused a whole big issue and she cried and complained about me to my boss. She walked into my office when the door was closed and I was on a call.
He pulled me aside and said that I was right, but she's a woman, so just say sorry, move on, and know that he doesn't give a shite
Told the receptionist here "you don't need to print an email and hand it to me, just forward that shite, I'll see it" and it caused a whole big issue and she cried and complained about me to my boss. She walked into my office when the door was closed and I was on a call.
He pulled me aside and said that I was right, but she's a woman, so just say sorry, move on, and know that he doesn't give a shite
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:29 am to thesoccerfanjax
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I’ve noticed nurses or really any woman in the medical field is particularly bad about this.
I work in the medical industry. Can confirm 100%
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:33 am to Slippy
the biggest impediment to getting women into high positions like CEO, is other women. They will destroy each other on the way to the top. And if one does happen to make it to the top, she will make the process 10x harder for anyone to follow her.
It is truly amazing to watch.
It is truly amazing to watch.
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