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re: why are we importing any oil ????

Posted on 3/5/22 at 1:13 am to
Posted by Winston Cup
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 1:13 am to
Because you won’t buy an electric car you biggot
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
10942 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 1:21 am to
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The guy you replied to was just pointing out how the industry works. It amazes me how some people can be so blinded by politics that a simple statement about the nature of the oil & gas industry elicits this type of response.


No he was repeating the lefts talking point that the president doesn't have any control over oil and gas prices. Which is a complete bullshite argument and one designed to deflect from a terrible policy of relying on oil from enemies who want to destroy us.

The president absolutely has the power to impact supply and therefore impact pricing. I don't know how this is even arguable but in lefty clown world I guess it's acceptable.


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Yet somehow the number of drilling rigs in operation in the US has nearly doubled since he took office


How is this possible? Biden in fact has said he was shutting down drilling. I heard him say it several times and it's quoted all over. So is he a liar? Doesn't keep his promises? Weird.

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You sound like a miserable prick.


I hate disingenuous people who repeat media fed lies to promote dangerous policy. If that makes me a miserable prick then so be it.

This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 1:27 am
Posted by 197603apf
Member since Sep 2021
119 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 1:46 am to
When oil went to below $40 bbl companies started to pull back. By time it went to negative during Covid there was many uncertainties and companies really pulled back. All they did was drill holes to save leases. They dropped rigs daily it was bad. We are seeing those affects now. My company went from 26 rigs to 6 in a months time. We have been back to 22-24 rigs for a year now. I work for a major but lots of smaller companies have not recovered. It will take a few more months to get production back up to lower prices just in time for mid terms to make Biden look like he is making a come back.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 2:05 am to
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No he was repeating the lefts talking point that the president doesn't have any control over oil and gas prices. Which is a complete bullshite argument and one designed to deflect from a terrible policy of relying on oil from enemies who want to destroy us.

The president absolutely has the power to impact supply and therefore impact pricing. I don't know how this is even arguable but in lefty clown world I guess it's acceptable.

It’s not that the president has no power to influence US oil production. It’s that there are other factors that have orders of magnitude more impact. That’s not a political talking point. It’s a fact of the oil & gas industry. Anybody who remotely understands those markets will tell you that.

Case in point: we have a president who has vocally opposed the oil & gas industry, yet rig counts have only increased since he took office. It’s very likely that we will set a new all-time high for US crude oil production within the next few months.

US production doesn’t drive oil prices. Oil prices drive US production. For some reason it’s difficult for people to understand that, I guess because they just can’t grasp the stranglehold OPEC has on the global oil market, or the fact that US total market share doesn’t matter when it’s split up between 1000 companies who legally cannot collude to set production quotas/prices (unlike OPEC). I’d try to explain it again, but it’s pretty clear you aren’t interested in understanding it anyway.
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How is this possible? Biden in fact has said he was shutting down drilling. I heard him say it several times and it's quoted all over. So is he a liar? Doesn't keep his promises? Weird.

Maybe because whatever changes he could make unilaterally simply didn’t affect drilling activity very much (which is kind of the point)?

Or maybe he’s full of shite and lacks the political capital to deal that kind of blow to the industry.. which, also, is kind of the point.
Posted by cj35
Member since Jan 2014
6153 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:49 am to
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Why are we importing crawfish?
Because there are not enough LA crawfish to supply the demand. Especially now that every Chinese buffet in the US has them.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27590 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 6:34 am to
There was never a time we did not import oil.
Posted by WhereisAtlanta
Member since Jun 2016
847 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:00 am to
Remember all those truck nut threads when folks who understand the marked keep stating the price drop was horrible and would lead to massive price increase in the near future?

Here you go dipshits, enjoy it because it is just getting started and it will not make any difference who is POTUS.
Posted by Scatback1
Denham
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:03 am to
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 10:16 am
Posted by Scatback1
Denham
Member since Dec 2021
750 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:06 am to
When you say WE.. Who are you referring to?

The oil that is produced HERE doesn't belong to us. It belongs to the company who produced it, and they sell it where than can make the most money.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27615 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:08 am to
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I thought that years ago we became energy independent and net exporter? Did this change ?


Just because you are a net exporter doesn’t mean you don’t import oil.

We’ve been importing oil for decades upon decades. We’ve been importing oil from Russia since at least 1995.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27615 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:15 am to
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The week Biden took office he cancelled the Keystone and banned oil drilling in national lands. USSC ruled that his ban on new oil lease sales is unconstitutional but has still refused to do so.


The Biden Administration has yet to ban drilling on Federal Lands. That is a fact. There is current drilling on Federal Lands now. Lots of it in the Permian.

Also, the United States Supreme Court has not ruled, at this time, on any of the offshore leasing cases. There were two district cases so far, one that API won, where the Administration then held a GOM lease sale, then after where the enviro NGOs sued Biden Admin and won, which “threw out” the lease sales.

Where do some of you people get your info? I agree Biden is a horrible leader and an idiot, but some of you seem to be just as uninformed as him.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 8:26 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27615 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:20 am to
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How is this possible? Biden in fact has said he was shutting down drilling. I heard him say it several times and it's quoted all over. So is he a liar? Doesn't keep his promises?


He said he would shut down drilling on Federal Lands in a debate. Then, as is the case with many politicians running for office, he got a kick in the nuts upon realizing:

1- How much oil & gas revenues on Federal Lands funds all the national parks his enviro base loves.

2- His supporters, Democrat Governors of New Mexico and Colorado, started drawing up exceptions to his plans because of how much money their states made on the 50/50 split of oil royalties on Fed Lands within their borders.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
26714 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:47 am to
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It’s not that the president has no power to influence US oil production. It’s that there are other factors that have orders of magnitude more impact. That’s not a political talking point. It’s a fact of the oil & gas industry. Anybody who remotely understands those markets will tell you that.

Case in point: we have a president who has vocally opposed the oil & gas industry, yet rig counts have only increased since he took office. It’s very likely that we will set a new all-time high for US crude oil production within the next few months.

US production doesn’t drive oil prices. Oil prices drive US production. For some reason it’s difficult for people to understand that, I guess because they just can’t grasp the stranglehold OPEC has on the global oil market, or the fact that US total market share doesn’t matter when it’s split up between 1000 companies who legally cannot collude to set production quotas/prices (unlike OPEC). I’d try to explain it again, but it’s pretty clear you aren’t interested in understanding it anyway.


exactly this...
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27615 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:51 am to
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Case in point: we have a president who has vocally opposed the oil & gas industry, yet rig counts have only increased since he took office. It’s very likely that we will set a new all-time high for US crude oil production within the next few months.


When/If (and it’s probably more when) this happens, the mind blowing of the Republican versions of AOC is going to be a circus to watch. Those types who get their talking points from shared Facebook memes and the pillow guy.
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
2070 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:53 am to
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No he was repeating the lefts talking point that the president doesn't have any control over oil and gas prices.

No, having never heard the left talk about this, I was repeating what people I know in the oil industry have told me.
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I hate disingenuous people...

I got chunks bigger than guys like you in my stool. You are the one being disingenuous because you're stuck on "democrat vs republican" just like the media wants you to be.
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
10942 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:52 am to
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No, having never heard the left talk about this, I was repeating what people I know in the oil industry have told me.


Haha then you aren't paying attention. The president doesn't have any control over gas prices has been the MSM talking point since prices started rising. Maybe these people in the oil industry you so trust are getting this info from MSNBC and passing it on to you?

Not everyone that works in the industry is an expert on pricing nor supply and demand economics. Information you claim comes from people in the industry does nothing to convince me of anything.

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I got chunks bigger than guys like you in my stool. You are the one being disingenuous because you're stuck on "democrat vs republican" just like the media wants you to be.




Apart from your childish insult.

I call it like I see it. I heard the president say multiple times he was going to shut down domestic oil production then proceeded to do so on day 1.

Now prices are sky high.

If he doesn't have anything to do with it like your MSNBC repeating industry experts claim then he needs to do a better job of the optics and maybe stop claiming he has control. I'm just taking the man's word for it and if that makes me partisan then so be it.

Posted by timdallinger
Member since Nov 2009
1593 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:53 am to
The US isn't now, nor has it ever been a net exporter of crude oil.

For the week ending November 30, 2018, the US became a net exporter of both crude oil and petroleum products combined for the first time. Since then until present, that has occurred 54 weeks.

The US imports different grades of crude than it produces.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61386 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:56 am to
Because apparently, it’s not a nuclear holocaust that will end life on planet earth, but global warming. As it turns out, earth is a delicate little flower, but man’s lust for power and thirst for blood can easily be defeated by wishing wars away with good thoughts.

Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
2070 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 11:04 am to
Dude, everyone in the oil industry, from geologists to surveyors to inspectors to cargo representatives to operators to brokers, that I personally know are very conservative. I doubt they watch MSNBC.

I can drive down the highway and estimate how much oil is selling for just by looking at how many pump jacks are running. If oil is too low, they don't run. When oil is high enough, they start pumping. OPEC controls the prices, since they can extract a barrel of oil much cheaper than U.S. fracking. We adjust our production accordingly.

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Apart from your childish insult.

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I hate...


Whatever you say, pal.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 11:08 am
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61386 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 11:12 am to
It’s been quite a pivot for liberals. Why it was just yesterday it seems that they were scaring the living crap out of everyone in America with the eminent threat of nuclear war upon us in an attempt to get rid of our nukes with the thinking that Russia, being the reasonable fellows that they are, will do the same, and nuclear technology will somehow un-invent itself. Of course, none of that happened, and more bad characters have them in their arsenal now, but they had good thoughts, that’s for sure. Now, it’s on to global warming, with America sacrificing it’s energy needs to save the world while the third world gives not one single shite, and we buy their natural resources instead of taking advantage of our own in our own back yard.
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