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Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:08 pm to CptRusty
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Designing an offshore production platform? frick your diversity, give me smart people, whatever color they are even if every one of them is lily white.
What if they can't communicate or listen worth a shite? I'm not focused on race only fwiw, I'm talking about the entire package. We all know smart people who are a total misfit within any team setting.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:09 pm to slackster
quote:That is kinda the basis of the arguments in this thread.
If a 1300 is what is needed to succeed, that should be the case across the board.
We are on the same page then.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:12 pm to slackster
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I do have a problem with raising/lowering the minimum based on race.
Then at what point does race become a factor, is it the only mitigating factor, and if not what are the others?
Surely you can see where I'm going with this. You've already admitted you want to see a given racial makeup of your enrollment. Now justifying how to get there is academic. Or, said plainly, diversity for diversities sake.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:15 pm to Scruffy
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That is kinda the basis of the arguments in this thread.
I'm not sure others are making the same argument. I think once you get to X+, the best package should be selected. Others think the scores should be it only.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:16 pm to slackster
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What if they can't communicate or listen worth a shite?
What if the moon was made of cheese? WTF does that have to do with the fact that diversity is irrelevant to getting actual work done?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:17 pm to Scruffy
I agree with scruffy here
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:19 pm to CptRusty
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Surely you can see where I'm going with this. You've already admitted you want to see a given racial makeup of your enrollment. Now justifying how to get there is academic. Or, said plainly, diversity for diversities sake.
I want to see a diverse make up from qualified students. That's an important distinction. I don't want to dip into unqualified students for the sake of diversity.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:23 pm to CptRusty
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What if the moon was made of cheese? WTF does that have to do with the fact that diversity is irrelevant to getting actual work done?
The point is we're okay with subjective measures other than test scores in the real world, but anything other than test scores in higher ed is BS?
Asking an employee what makes them unique, what they can bring to a team, etc is commonplace. Doing the same in admissions should be reasonable.
A team of all black males or Asian women is unlikely to be as strong as a diverse one of similarly qualified students.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:23 pm to slackster
Throws hands up and says this man (you slackster)gets it.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:24 pm to slackster
So for all of your "race shouldn't be a factor" BS, at the end of the day, you are still perfectly happy to pass over more qualified white students to meet some race quota. Well at least you're honest about it, which I suppose is more than can be said of actual university admissions administrators.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:27 pm to CptRusty
I can see such things as speaking different languages helping in getting accepted I mean the work forces are becoming more global. Things like this I can see using diversity to make the employer or university better.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:30 pm to slackster
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Asking an employee what makes them unique, what they can bring to a team, etc is commonplace. Doing the same in admissions should be reasonable.
Except by your own admission you aren't looking for the most qualified, but rather for a particular ethnic distribution above some minimum standard.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:31 pm to tigerskin
Would you want this same criteria applied to athletes as well?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:33 pm to slackster
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A team of all black males or Asian women is unlikely to be as strong as a diverse one of similarly qualified students.
better tell that to the NBA. Like I said, it depends what you're doing.
When there's money on the line, the virtue signaling stops and shite gets real.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:33 pm to CptRusty
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Except by your own admission you aren't looking for the most qualified, but rather for a particular ethnic distribution above some minimum standard.
I'm looking for the person who adds the most to my team. College admissions is the same way.
ETA - if I've got two Jans, does a third really add anything? Unlikely.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:35 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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such things as speaking different languages
Has nothing to do with "diversity" as it had been used in this discussion.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:35 pm to slackster
Nobody is saying it should just be SAT scores. But in the instances it is deemphasized, it is obvious why.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:37 pm to CptRusty
Truff
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:37 pm to CptRusty
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better tell that to the NBA.
Touche.
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Like I said, it depends what you're doing.
Sure, but a candidate that has experience with multiple backgrounds doesn't hurt, and very often is helpful.
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When there's money on the line, the virtue signaling stops and shite gets real.
I don't believe anything I've suggested is virtue signaling, but I won't argue that some individual schools do.
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