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re: Where can you sign the St. George petition?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:39 am to LSURussian
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:39 am to LSURussian
quote:
Does "kids from poverty" mean "black kids"?
Yes. Specifically the ghetto entitlement culture. That's the elephant in the room. Everyone wants to say it but no one will. If people won't even SAY this on a message board in BR why would anyone assume the real issues will be addressed in the foreseeable future?
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Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:18 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
they also want the tax base that our entire city supports.
quote:You're either trolling or incredibly willfully obtuse.
SG is asking for tax revenue generated inside city limits?
Your question is not applicable to the post you quoted.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:23 am to LSURussian
quote:
You're either trolling or incredibly willfully obtuse.
Your question is not applicable to the post you quoted.
It's absolutely applicable. He stated that SG wants the tax base that the city supports. From what I understand, SG would only be comprised of the unincorporated area outside of city limits. What, exactly, does the city (not the parish) do to support this area?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:26 am to theunknownknight
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Yes. Specifically the ghetto entitlement culture. That's the elephant in the room. Everyone wants to say it but no one will. If people won't even SAY this on a message board in BR why would anyone assume the real issues will be addressed in the foreseeable future?
Where are you running to that you think you will escape it?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:30 am to Antonio Moss
Look around you. Not quite the District 12 st g peeps purport the unincorporated area to be. Not the cesspool others have said. Again, are st g peeps going to work hard to incorporate areas in the unincorporated area that are deemed not poor (black as user Knight admitted)?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:31 am to Antonio Moss
quote:No, it's not.
It's absolutely applicable.
quote:The "entire city supports" = the sales taxes collected at the MoL. Unless you believe only SG residents shop there.
He stated that SG wants the tax base that the city supports.
Stop pretending to be stupid.
Or maybe you're not pretending....
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:34 am to seeinspots
quote:
Really? The fight has just begun? Much has changed in the 17 years ive been here. And for the better. Schools have improved. What st g peeps want is better schools, like everyone else, but they also want the tax base that our entire city supports. They want the whole cake and to eat it.
At best schools overall have been a zero sum game. Some have improved while others are far worse off.
I don't think people can argue that Baton Rouge is heading, ever so slightly, in the right direction. However, I've got no problem with people voicing their concerns over the intensity of that move or the overall reluctance to any drastic changes that may be needed.
At the end of the day, IMO, the people of BR are slowly getting better off, but the entire city should question why can't more be done. I support St. George because I believe they are bringing that question to the forefront of BR politics. That can't be a bad thing.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:38 am to LSURussian
I have to be honest that I haven't followed this closely at all. I don't live in EBR much less the affected areas. But I do see that you are strongly against it in it's present proposed format. Which leads me to my question: Would you support a section of south EBR incorporating if it was done differently or the circumstances were slightly different? How would it have to be done and what would those circumstances be?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:39 am to LSURussian
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The "entire city supports" = the sales taxes collected at the MoL.
So BR is entitled to pull power over the unincorporated area because there is a major sales tax generator in that area?
That's simply a fricking stupid position that is not practice anywhere else in the fricking country. Metairie doesn't get to dictate terms to New Orleans because Metairie citizens support the French Quarter. New Jersey doesn't get to dictate terms to NYC because its citizens spend money in Manhattan. It's runs counter to every notion of sovereign jurisdiction. Sales tax remains in the jurisdiction in which it was generated. The source of the money which was spent has never played a role in determining policy for that jurisdiction.
Essentially, your argument is that SG must stay subservient to the consolidated government because people who live in the city shop at the MoL. That's nonsense.
quote:
Unless you believe only SG residents shop there.
Again, stupid assumption based on a really poor premise.
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Stop pretending to be stupid.
Honestly, your argument here is beyond awful. Maybe you should rethink throwing out cheapshots based on poster's intelligence. If you're going to present yourself as some intellectual elite, you may want to formulate an argument that actually makes sense.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:40 am to The Boat
I'd like to sign as well. Can anyone fax over the petition to Ohio? 
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:50 am to seeinspots
There once was a wise poster named PapiGogo who posted on the race topic. I will repost his "racist" remarks, but prepare for the statistical mushroom cloud.
Then he broke it down.
And here is a link to his post PapiGogo HAM
ETA: If St G folks want to escape the association to North BR, including the school systems and tax teet, then more power to them for wanting to leave. Now I do hear about underlying issues with the St G campaign, about money men wanting to scam money off the deal , but isnt that what Cowboy Kip and his goons are already doing? And St G is getting no benefit from it. With this incorporation, at least they could address the schools. I laugh when people say "Oh the schools have soo much potential" and "Lets fix it together".... Why the hell has it taken this long to get ANYTHING done?? LA politics are a joke haha continue to do nothing while they promise everything. Typical Dem move.
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People want to talk about the gun culture problem America faces. We don't have a gun culture problem; we have a black culture problem.
13% of the population are committing 65% of all violent crimes. Think about that! If you removed all gun crimes perpetrated by black people from the statistics, the US would have a lower crime rate than Belgium. That astounds me.
But let's continue to focus on the struggle and how unfair the system is.
Then he broke it down.
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There are more poor whites on food stamps than poor blacks
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Statistically, this used to be true, but as of 2013, there are more blacks than whites on social assistance. In total, there are about 60 million people on social assistance.
-39.8% are black (24 million)
-38.8% are white (23 million)
-16% are Hispanic (10 million)
-2% are Asian (1 million)
Now, lets analyze by percentage of total population. We have 353 million people in the country.
-220 million are white.
-43 million are black.
-60 million are Hispanic.
-18 millions are Asian.
Finally, let's put these social assistance numbers in perspective in terms of the percentage of their populations
-10.4% of whites are on social assistance.
-56% of blacks
-16% of Hispanics
-6% of Asians
One could argue that social assistance numbers closely resemble unemployment figures, except in the black community where more then 1/2 of all blacks are living of the tax payers. For what? So they can commit crimes against the same people that pay for their babies and food?
Here are some other interesting statistics about the black community. It's an absolute cultural collapse that we are witnessing, exacerbated by society's fear and reluctance to address the issue before us. Instead, we talk about poverty, or the inequality of the legal system, or the ramifications of hundreds of years of slavery. At what point can people be responsible for their own bad decisions?
-More than 50% of blacks are on social assistance.
-By the age of 30, 72% of all black males will have spent time in jail or probation.
-Despite composing only 13% of total population, AAA are committing more than 65% of all violent crimes (80% in southern cities)
-More blacks in prison than there are in college.
-Since 2000, almost 80% of black children born to single mothers.
-black marriage rates at an all-time low.
This isn't a race issue. Blacks in other countries don't act this way. This is a culture issue.
The question is how to fix it. Wish I knew, but the coddling and advocating that we're doing now is absolutely failing.
And here is a link to his post PapiGogo HAM
ETA: If St G folks want to escape the association to North BR, including the school systems and tax teet, then more power to them for wanting to leave. Now I do hear about underlying issues with the St G campaign, about money men wanting to scam money off the deal , but isnt that what Cowboy Kip and his goons are already doing? And St G is getting no benefit from it. With this incorporation, at least they could address the schools. I laugh when people say "Oh the schools have soo much potential" and "Lets fix it together".... Why the hell has it taken this long to get ANYTHING done?? LA politics are a joke haha continue to do nothing while they promise everything. Typical Dem move.
This post was edited on 4/25/14 at 9:04 am
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:53 am to seeinspots
What's this St Hor-Hey stuff all about?
I hope you fellas on here figured it all out for us.
Sure, but in our very low income neighborhoods the reality is most don't. This isn't debatable. Speak with anybody in education that has spent time in inner-city schools. Schools aren't seen as an institution of learning, but as a place to send your child for free day care/breakfast and lunch. It's unfortunate, but true. You have to change the thinking of a culture, and that's not something that is done easily.
I'm an advocate of neighborhood schools and don't really care how it gets done. The needs and focus of a school can vary greatly depending on it's location and being able to address those needs on a school by school basis is essential. Education shouldn't be a one size fits all approach and busing kids all over the city is a disservice to so many children and benefits few.
I hope you fellas on here figured it all out for us.
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seeinspots
quote:You're still an idiot.
Greed and racism brought to top like a pimple.
quote:
Even poor people care about education
Sure, but in our very low income neighborhoods the reality is most don't. This isn't debatable. Speak with anybody in education that has spent time in inner-city schools. Schools aren't seen as an institution of learning, but as a place to send your child for free day care/breakfast and lunch. It's unfortunate, but true. You have to change the thinking of a culture, and that's not something that is done easily.
I'm an advocate of neighborhood schools and don't really care how it gets done. The needs and focus of a school can vary greatly depending on it's location and being able to address those needs on a school by school basis is essential. Education shouldn't be a one size fits all approach and busing kids all over the city is a disservice to so many children and benefits few.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 8:55 am to LSUAfro
Posted on 4/25/14 at 9:10 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Wrong. It happens all over the country frequently.
So BR is entitled to pull power over the unincorporated area because there is a major sales tax generator in that area?
That's simply a fricking stupid position that is not practice anywhere else in the fricking country.
quote:I wasn't aware the locales in your examples were in the same parish (county) with each other. Nor are they under the same governmental jurisdiction as is the case in EBR with St George.
Metairie doesn't get to dictate terms to New Orleans because Metairie citizens support the French Quarter. New Jersey doesn't get to dictate terms to NYC because its citizens spend money in Manhattan.
You keep changing the subject away from your earlier unintelligent post asking if "SG is asking for tax revenue generated inside city limits?" It's obvious why you're having to do that.
It's obvious you have not thought this through.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 9:17 am to LSUAfro
quote:
I'm an advocate of neighborhood schools and don't really care how it gets done. The needs and focus of a school can vary greatly depending on it's location and being able to address those needs on a school by school basis is essential. Education shouldn't be a one size fits all approach and busing kids all over the city is a disservice to so many children and benefits few.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 9:18 am to LSURussian
quote:
wasn't aware the locales in your examples were in the same parish (county) with each other. Nor are they under the same governmental jurisdiction as is the case in EBR with St George.
Your understanding of jurisdiction and levels of authority are either woefully lacking or being ignored.
Would you like me to change the example? Does the incorporated city of Kenner get to dictate terms into the incorporated city of Harrahan simply because Kenner has more tax generators?
No, of course not. While they are both in Jefferson Parish, they are separate legal entities entitled to sovereignty. Sales tax generated under city taxes are not spread from Kenner to Harrahan or vice versa.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 9:19 am to LSUAfro
quote:
Sure, but in our very low income neighborhoods the reality is most don't. This isn't debatable. Speak with anybody in education that has spent time in inner-city schools. Schools aren't seen as an institution of learning, but as a place to send your child for free day care/breakfast and lunch. It's unfortunate, but true. You have to change the thinking of a culture, and that's not something that is done easily.
I'm an advocate of neighborhood schools and don't really care how it gets done. The needs and focus of a school can vary greatly depending on it's location and being able to address those needs on a school by school basis is essential. Education shouldn't be a one size fits all approach and busing kids all over the city is a disservice to so many children and benefits few.
Yep.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 9:23 am to Antonio Moss
quote:So you're doubling down on your statement about Metairie being a governmental subdivision of New Orleans? Or New Jersey being a governmental subdivision of New York?
Your understanding of jurisdiction and levels of authority are either woefully lacking or being ignored.
And are you going to continue to ignore the consolidated form of local government that EBR has had for many decades?
quote:Your examples just keep getting more inapplicable to the EBR/BR/St George situation.
Does the incorporated city of Kenner get to dictate terms into the incorporated city of Harrahan simply because Kenner has more tax generators?
Keep it up. I'm enjoying the
I get from your posts. 
This post was edited on 4/25/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 4/25/14 at 9:30 am to LSURussian
quote:
So you're doubling down on your statement about Metairie being a governmental subdivision of New Orleans? Or New Jersey being a governmental subdivision of New York?
I never suggested that. In fact, it was the polar opposite. Metairie is a separate legal jurisdiction from New Orleans (on several levels.) SG is seeking to become a separate legal entity from the City of Baton Rouge. And if this occurs, it would be rightfully entitled to all sales tax revenue generated within its borders despite the fact that the origin of that revenue comes from people living outside the jurisdiction. The argument that SG should be opposed because people from outside that area support a major tax generator within SG is nonsensical and shows the crux of the problem with the current set up of the consolidated government.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 9:41 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Correct, so why did you use it as a example comparing their situation to St George and EBR which are under the same local governmental jurisdiction?
Metairie is a separate legal jurisdiction from New Orleans (on several levels.)
quote:There is no disputing that. I'm not sure why you're arguing the point. My point has been the sales taxes collected at the MoL are not paid exclusively by SG residents as they seem to claim in their hysterical shrieks about it being "their" money.
it would be rightfully entitled to all sales tax revenue generated within its borders despite the fact that the origin of that revenue comes from people living outside the jurisdiction.
There is also no disputing that BR has a right to annex areas into its city limits if a majority of the property owners in those areas ask to be annexed.
For SG proponents to claim BR does not have a right or it's unfair for BR to annex the MoL, Perkins Rowe and L'Auberge casino is just whining. Plain and simple.
And that is the current situation.
You're really going is circles now.
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