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re: When did you first become aware of your privilege?

Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:51 am to
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:51 am to
So a poor, Down's Syndrome kid in Appalachia is better off than a healthy child born to a rich family in Pakistan?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:51 am to
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Absolute horse shite.


ok

you are going to need to explain this one

in detail too please
Posted by Packer
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Member since May 2017
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:51 am to
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Exactly! It sucks that I wasn't born in the seventh ward to a single mom with no money. It would have been so much easier to get into college.



I honestly hope you don't believe this.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:52 am to
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nobody here is doing that


That is the very essence of the whole "admit your privilege" narrative.
Posted by cahoots
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:54 am to
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This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 11:41 am
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:54 am to
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So a poor, Down's Syndrome kid in Appalachia is better off than a healthy child born to a rich family in Pakistan?


oh...wow

no...that isn't even remotely what I said

to make that comparison, you would need to make everything else equal

1 advantage/privilege does not negate everything else

what an absolutely retarded question

Posted by PaperPaintball92
Fly Navy
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:54 am to
It hit me for the first time when I had to drop out of high school and work full time to afford anything that I needed or wanted. It hit me when I struggled to finish high school on my own in a home schooling program. It hit me really hard when I realized that I couldn't afford to go to college. I had to use my privilege to join the military. While serving I experienced a life altering privilege injury. Now I feel privilege pain every day of my life. Can't wait to see what my privilege brings me next. If your post is not pure sarcasm, please eliminate yourself.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:55 am to
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That is the very essence of the whole "admit your privilege" narrative.



yet no one here is doing it

weird

Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:55 am to
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This is not entirely true. There is more class mobility in the United States than anywhere else in the world.



Kinda an irrelevant point though. I’m not saying another country is better, and just because it’s more common here doesn’t mean it’s as easy as people make it sound.

It takes more than just a good idea and/or hard work to become super successful. It starts with where you were born and what family you were born into. There is no argument against the notion that someone born into a 2 parent household will have a better probability of success than a 1 parent household and it only increases with things like a higher household income.

It is far more difficult to pull yourself out of a low income, 1 parent household “by your bootstraps.”
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:56 am to
About 17 years ago when I almost lost my job after helping set a record number of minority "participation" in the field I was working.

I was informed then by a person of color that there was no way a "blue eyed white boy" could have put up those numbers.

When I provided the data, I was called a racist, and had to attend Sensitivity Training, which was taught by a leftist white moron from a place that was 98% white.

Neat how that works, isn't it?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:57 am to
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just the fact of where you are born is an advantage


No, your post was retarded so I corrected it.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171912 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:57 am to
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So a poor, Down's Syndrome kid in Appalachia is better off than a healthy child born to a rich family in Pakistan?



The irony of using an example of a rich kid being more privileged than a poor kid to try to argue the opposite.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:57 am to
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No, your post was retarded so I corrected it.



No. You tried to turn my post into some dumb reductionist argument.

Don't do that.
Posted by KyleOrtonsMustache
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:58 am to
I realized I had it better than others when my parents started fostering children after my brother died. When a kid came to my house and was happy he had a bed, it made an impact.

I'm not sure if that's privilege or a testament to my parents planning, work ethic and willingness to help others. My Dad grew up in a 4 room house without indoor plumbing. My parents lived in the housing projects when they got married. Then they bought a mobile home. Then they rented a home and by the time I was born they owned a home.

I've definitely had a better life than others because my parents worked, saved and planned. I'm sure it was easier on them to do that because they were white, in the 1960's and in Alabama.

I don't feel guilty about any of that. I've never had an internal debate about it. No shame. I do give about 15% of my income to worthy charities, but that's just because I like helping others. I do foster kids now because that's what my family feels led to do. I volunteer about 30 hours/month at a free clinic. But, I don't do any of that because I feel privileged. I do it because it's the right thing to do.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:58 am to
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Don't do that.


Perhaps you should hit the preview button before you post.

I can't fix your sloppy habits for you.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:59 am to
Sounds like if i acknowledge it then my stimulus check goes down. I'm gonna hold off until the check clears.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:59 am to
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I was raised upper middle class, attended great catholic schools, etc etc, and it all set me up to be successful as an adult. I can recognize and be appreciative that I was born into a stable and healthy environment.
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People can be absolutely fine with this. In fact, EVERYONE needs to find the things in their life that they can be grateful for. We all have “gifts”. We all have inherited abilities and strengths. We all have family and friends and mentors who have shaped us and supported us.

It’s even healthy to see your personal struggles as valuable life experiences that made you a stronger person, etc.

Can the richest, most pampered people really be considered the most blessed if they have been given everything without a struggle?

quote:

This bootstrap narrative that people can will themselves to success and advantages/disadvantages don’t exist is just a myth perpetuated by people who want to have hope that their hard work is worth something more than it is. Keeps the cogs in the machine in line.


This is a straw man argument and it sets up a false dichotomy. There is nothing wrong with wanting and even expecting that working hard for yourself will make good things happen and will help avoid tragedy and suffering.

No one believes that there aren’t inequalities of outcome, or that there aren’t crushing examples of tragedies and suffering inspite of best efforts.

The point is that this is not a problem of “privilege”. It’s an unavoidable element of our human condition.

And it certainly has very little to do with skin color in America in 2020.

This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 2:11 pm
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:00 am to
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Perhaps you should hit the preview button before you post.



I'll be sure to dumb my posts down to your level from now on
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:00 am to
No, your posts are already "dumb", just work on the sloppy, incomplete thingy.....
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171912 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:01 am to
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About 17 years ago when I almost lost my job after helping set a record number of minority "participation" in the field I was working.

I was informed then by a person of color that there was no way a "blue eyed white boy" could have put up those numbers.

When I provided the data, I was called a racist, and had to attend Sensitivity Training, which was taught by a leftist white moron from a place that was 98% white.

Neat how that works, isn't it?


Did you leave out the part where you called someone the n word? Because I don’t believe this story as written here.
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