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re: When did you first become aware of your privilege?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:24 pm to Salmon
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:24 pm to Salmon
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You want to talk about intellectual dishonesty? How about forcing others argument into a discussion where those arguments were never made?
so introducing an alternative perspective is intellectual dishonesty ? pick and choose, deny, deflect, displace, blah blah
you libtards are all the same.
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:25 pm to OWLFAN86
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except it you may have the disadvantage in relation to them just in a different form
Yes, of course
there are many variables to all of this
nobody in this thread has argued that one variable is the end all be all in this discussion
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:25 pm to TH03
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So they get the benefits of work they didn’t do? How are you failing to see that this is a privilege?
You've distended the meaning of "privilege" so grossly that it has lost any significance. According to your definition, the milk from a mother's breast would be a "privilege." After all, the child has done nothing to produce that milk, cannot even obtain that milk on its own. When it feeds, it is benefitting from work that it did not do. Every feeding is a privilege. Every diaper change is a privilege. Every bath is a privilege. Every item of clothes. In fact, survival itself is a privilege, since no infant born could survive long without the immediate and consistent intervention of its caretakers, work that the baby certainly does not do, nor can even conceive of. All of life is a privilege. Every breath.
But this of course is not what the mavens of foolishness mean when they use the phrase "white privilege." They are referring to some unearned advantage, some unfair advantage, some arbitrary advantage that does not arise from legitimate hard work and effort and talent and sacrifice and perseverance. But being born into a stable home is no such thing.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:26 pm to ccomeaux
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so introducing an alternative perspective is intellectual dishonesty ?
He wasn't introducing an alternative perspective. He was trying to force others arguments onto me. That is not how you have an honest discussion.
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pick and choose, deny, deflect, displace, blah blah
Yes. Precisely what "oogabooga" was doing.
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you libtards are all the same.
classic This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:27 pm to Salmon
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...I've already agreed with you that there are so many variables when it comes to successful outcomes its hard to identify just a few to focus on
But you still contend that two parent households is a “privilege” ...
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:27 pm to Kujo
What privilege do you speak of?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:28 pm to Antonio Moss
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But you still contend that two parent households is a “privilege” ...
Yes, of course
Its one of many. And its one of the ones that we have actual real data on.
and again, I don't view privilege as bad, but something we should strive for
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:30 pm to TH03
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You say this as if it’s actually different.
If someone is disadvantaged, y
In terms of the current, social meta-narrative, it is substantially different.
If there were a two mile race with 1000 competitors of which 999 had two legs, would you assert that a single, two-legged competitor was advantaged? No, of course not.
Certainly, you would label the one legged competitor as “disadvantaged” though.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:31 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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The narrative breaks down when other variables are introduced.
no it doesn’t.
Sure it does. It just destroys your argument
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:31 pm to Antonio Moss
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If there were a two mile race with 1000 competitors of which 999 had two legs, would you assert that a single, two-legged competitor was advantaged? No, of course not.
Certainly, you would label the one legged competitor as “disadvantaged” though.
well this is just a debate on perspective, no?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:32 pm to Antonio Moss
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Sure it does. It just destroys your argument
Not really. Unless you think that Tom Brady would have had the exact same career with a different coach.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:34 pm to ell_13
quote:Yes, but imagine if you had to endure all of that, and you were black!
Not sure if it was when I was sleeping on couches in the living room of shitty apartments as a kid or when my parents divorced and I had to help raise my nephew and go through the college application process alone. One of those two.
Your white privilege is showing.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:36 pm to Salmon
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well this is just a debate on perspective, no?
And an important one when viewing this conversation behind the backdrop of our current counter-culture.
The data is clear. There is no such thing as white privilege in the US.
However, the data is also also clear that blacks are the most disadvantaged subgroup in the country in terms of societal results. What is important is to start to dig into why this subgroup is disadvantaged to such a degree.
However, the current, objectively false, narrative prevents this and, thus, prevents any progress on the actual problems.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:37 pm to Salmon
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Not really. Unless you think that Tom Brady would have had the exact same career with a different coach.
Exact? No.
But successful? That’s the question.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:37 pm to Antonio Moss
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What is important is to start to dig into why this subgroup is disadvantaged to such a degree.
Yes. The drivers behind the outcomes. My entire point in this thread
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:38 pm to Kujo
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privilege
No such thing except in the minds of the mentally delusional.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:38 pm to Antonio Moss
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But successful? That’s the question.
wouldn't "as successful" be the question?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:39 pm to Kujo
About a month ago
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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and, thus, prevents any progress on the actual problems.
Hahahahaaa.....how cute.
You assume the people crying about the problem actually WANT to see it solved.....ain't no money or power in THAT!
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:40 pm to Salmon
quote:Having two parents isn’t a “privilege” you fricking moron.
But you still contend that two parent households is a “privilege” ...
Yes, of course
Its one of many.
quote:Are two parent households only available to whites?
privilege;
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.
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