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re: When did cops go from protect and serve to comply or die?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:03 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:03 pm to Topwater Trout
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He didn't give me a ticket he was just checking me out
That's a problem, IMO. But I'm glad it worked out ok for you.
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:13 pm to WG_Dawg
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It's fun to hate on the police because they make you late by ticketing you when you're speeding but people who think they aren't valuable and aren't NEEDED (which they very much are) are just flat out ignorant.
Hey dummy, arguing against abuse of power is not the same as arguing for anarchy.
You'd be the idiot that said back in the 18th century, "Well the British are the authority so we have to do what they say"
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:17 pm to MSMHater
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That's a problem, IMO
meh I was flying...going at least 85 when I saw him driving thru the median. I deserved a ticket for that. I drew attention to myself and had no problem with him pulling me over for some technicality.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:20 pm to MSMHater
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That's a problem, IMO. But I'm glad it worked out ok for you.
What's the problem? SHould the cop not pull over people that are speeding?
I was pulled over for running a stop sign, which i kind of did, knowing the cop really just wanted to pull me over to see if i was drunk. I wasn't. He didn't give me a ticket. Traffic stop lasted about 2 minutes total.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
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SHould the cop not pull over people that are speeding?
A lot of places have artificially low speed limits to:
1)Raise revenue
2)Lower the bar for LEO to pull over anyone they want to.
If the speed limit were in place to actually keep people safe, a lot of municipalities would have to cut services, raise taxes, lay off LEO...
It stopped being about safety a while ago.
On another note, it always cracks me up when LEO and DA's have more a say in the speed limit than the traffic engineers.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
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What's the problem?
"Checking you out" under the guise of a routine traffic stop that doesn't result in a ticket.
"Your tint was too dark"
"You had a taillight out"
"You briefly crossed the divider line"
"Your inspection sticker looks to be expired"
All legitimate "offenses", but likely not the true intent. They are used as a pretense to profiling (which I'm not totally against by the way) or illegal searches on occasion.
It's another one of those unsaid truths that is used appropriately 90% of the time, but can end badly. Also a pretty common tactic among departments with high rates of asset forfeiture.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:32 pm to NYNolaguy1
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A lot of places have artificially low speed limits to:
That's extremely subjective. Personally, I've never seen a speed limit sign that I thought was high enough outside of a neighborhood.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:33 pm to junkfunky
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Personally, I've never seen a speed limit sign that I thought was fast enough outside of a neighborhood.
In a thread full of disagreement, I don't think you'll get much argument there.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:34 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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Lots of boot lickers on this board who equate police work with fighting for our country in the military. They'd be the first to jump when the officer told them to "pick up that can".
And they'd probably tell you they are small government types.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:36 pm to bencoleman
Traffic stops and other incidents of "contact" are just a reason to see if you have warrants or drugs on your being.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:36 pm to MSMHater
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They are used as a pretense to profiling (which I'm not totally against by the way)
I was waiting for you to get to that.
I have no problem with profiling or stereotyping. I don't b/c i know i'm not who they are looking for. I can see where others may have a problem with that, but i don't and realize it a good way to catch people that are seriously breaking the law, while inconveniencing those of us committing minor infractions that don't always result in tickets.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Traffic stops and other incidents of "contact" are just a reason to see if you have warrants or drugs on your being.
you have a problem with this?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:40 pm to TeddyPadillac
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and realize it a good way to catch people
That's why I can't totally dismiss it. It works! And there are countries that do it very effectively.
Maybe I just think it's much easier to profile in a "war on terror" than it is to profile in the "war on drugs". The potential scope of profiling is much tighter in one VS the other.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:43 pm to TJGator1215
all kinds of folks been squawkin for many years about this
defacto v dejure
u.s. v america
the strawman
the right to travel v a DL
there are lots of clues as to the "status" of avg americans
all valid concerns...
probably been since the day you was born...
defacto v dejure
u.s. v america
the strawman
the right to travel v a DL
there are lots of clues as to the "status" of avg americans
all valid concerns...
probably been since the day you was born...
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:48 pm to MSMHater
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Maybe I just think it's much easier to profile in a "war on terror" than it is to profile in the "war on drugs". One's potential scope of profiling is much tighter in one VS the other.
I hear ya.
I got pulled over on the interstate driving an old Altima that was pretty ragged on the first day i got it. I bought it to drive to New Orleans every day back in '10 when gas prices were ridiculous and my truck was guzzling gas. Car had alabama plates and was for my cousin who was in Afgahnistan, so i didn't have the registration and all yet. It was 6:15am.
Cop pulls out after i pass him, he was waiting after the overpass where they always do. I was going 75 in a 70, so yeah i was speeding but you never get pulled over for that. I was getting off on the next exit and did. Cop followed me and pulled me over on the exit ramp.
Told me i was trying to evade him, which is why he pulled me over. I literally laughed him. Kind of hard to say i was evading him when he didn't have his lights on. I knew i was dealing wiht a dipshit and pretty much said as little as possible from there on out.
He didn't give me a ticket but he profiled me as a drug runner i'm sure. Out of state plates, beat up car, lone guy in the car. But things changed when i got out dressed in slacks and my company shirt, so he had to make up other stupid reasons to yell at me. He even told me to not listen to the radio so loud so i could pay better attention to the road. I just said "ok". Didn't even bother to tell him that the radio didn't work in the car.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:52 pm to Topwater Trout
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Traffic stops and other incidents of "contact" are just a reason to see if you have warrants or drugs on your being.
you have a problem with this?
When it causes aggressive contact with citizens, you bet I do.
If I'm doing something very unsafe, I can understand being pulled over. For bullshite reasons, no.
I've told the story about troopers entering a cabin I was in early in the morning under the guise of a 911 call, which didn't happen. They searched the house, damn near shot my dog and it was all because the electricity bill spiked in that particular cabin
Proactive policing has created the sense of an "us vs them" situation with law enforcement.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:54 pm to TJGator1215
the few times i have had to have the police involved in anything they were very helpful.
also, been arrested twice. never been beaten or shot.
not sure why that is.
also, been arrested twice. never been beaten or shot.
not sure why that is.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:00 pm to junkfunky
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That's extremely subjective. Personally, I've never seen a speed limit sign that I thought was high enough outside of a neighborhood.
Maybe so, but I am thinking specifically of the NYS Thruway. A lot of spots on there, the speed limit is 55 mph- that's a major interstate mind you. If you're going less than 75 you'll get tailgated and cut off. It's much more dangerous to go the speed limit than with the flow of traffic, which on average is 75-80 mph.
Think about that- whoever gets pulled over is instantly looking at 20-25 over, reckless driving, etc. The fines for that are much higher for that than if they simply raised the speed limit. Guess who will be the first to object if they are changed?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:01 pm to junkfunky
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I've never seen a speed limit sign that I thought was high enough outside of a neighborhood.
65mph on airline through p'ville and Gonzales seems excessive.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:16 pm to TJGator1215
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