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re: What would have been your plan if you were on a Normandy landing boat?
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:16 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:16 pm to KosmoCramer
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Those guys were resigned that they weren't coming home.
Many of the D-Day units, amphibious and airborne, had zero combat experience. There were a few units that had previously landed in Africa, Sicily and/or Italy, but the conventional wisdom was that green troops were better. They didn't know what was about to happen to them. You just couldn't ask a man to make multiple amphibious landings because no matter how brave they were, the psychological strain was too great.
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:26 pm to geauxtigers87
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One company of GI's had 90% casualties in 15 minutes on Omaha
Omaha was the worst by far. The 29th ID took a terrible beating, along with the Big Red One.
The 4th ID landed on Utah, the other "American" beach, only had about 200 casualties on D-Day.
The Canadians had relatively heavy casualties on Juno. The British didn't suffer as badly on Sword and Gold.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:28 pm to Thacian
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Invading Normandy the way we did it was dumb af....we had bombers that could have fricked up that beach up and made it look like the moon before we invaded on ground....
To have to storm the beach while gunners were teeing off inside concrete bunkers, then to even get there,then take it over to destroy their long range cannons and take the beach solely on foot was dumbest shite I've ever read about...
Speaking of the dumbest shite I've ever read ...
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:32 pm to geauxtigers87
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Bombers missed the beach on Omaha
In part because they were trying to avoid blue on blue casualties. The 82nd, 101st and British 1st Para had been dropped hours earlier.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:46 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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zigzag pattern is supposedly the most effective way to dodge bullets. Makes it impossible to shoot where you're going to be.
Did you watch Generation Kill? There's a funny scene when the embedded reporter and four or five Marines start taking sniper fire. The Marines run back to better cover one by one. When it's the reporter's turn, he runs back "serpentine", taking about twice as long to get back to cover. The Marines are incredulous and ask, "WTF were you doing?" The reporter explains that he had seen the movie "The In-Laws" and two main characters ran "serpentine" when under sniper fire. One of the Marines tells him, "That's great, but run in a straight line next time. You'll live longer."
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:47 pm to weagle99
Stay low. Probably would have stayed about 100 yds offshore
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:52 pm to ElectricWizard0
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You have a link to this? I've done multiple projects and papers on WWII and I've never come across this
Slapton Sands.
German E-Boats penetrated the flotilla screen during a D-Day rehearsal and sank several ships. Over 700 soldiers and sailors drowned. The brass attempted to cover it up to avoid giving the Germans a propaganda coup and demoralizing the Allied troops.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:54 pm to beerJeep
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Imagine if it were the German 6th army and 4th panzer division on the bluffs overlooking the beach head instead of some rag tag group of undesirables.
It wasn't all Ost units defending the beaches. There was a top notch Wehrmacht unit (352nd?) at Omaha.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:13 am to kywildcatfanone
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When men were men
I guarantee you those men would rather be the men of today if it meant avoiding that slaughter.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:20 am to White Roach
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Omaha was the worst by far. The 29th ID took a terrible beating, along with the Big Red One.
My grandfather was 29th ID replacement Depot and was put into action after the landing taking St. Lo. Ended up getting shot 3 separate times during the war after that across Europe.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:23 am to White Roach
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wasn't all Ost units defending the beaches. There was a top notch Wehrmacht unit (352nd?) at Omaha.
I'm well aware. But IN GENERAL, the units defending normandy were young conscripts, old men, injured, and ost divisions.
IN GENERAL, the Germans had their best units on the eastern front. That isn't up for debate. It's a well documented fact.
Were there elite units in normandy and France in general? Absolutely. But they were few and far between.
All I was saying was imagine how much worse had the fronts been reversed and we had the Germans top guys coming down on the beach head instead of what we had.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:27 am to weagle99
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What would have been your plan if you were on a Normandy landing boat?
To make my peace with those on Earth, and with our Creator in the sky, because there is a 90+% I'm about to meet my maker.
Other than that, when the door opens, get small, haul arse, hope for the best, and have one hand ready to reach for the morphine.
God bless those patriots. Greatest Generation
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:28 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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My grandfather was 29th ID replacement Depot and was put into action after the landing taking St. Lo. Ended up getting shot 3 separate times during the war after that across Europe.
My grandpa's uncle (whatever that makes him to me) died on May 6th in Germany to a sniper. Of course... The Germans surrendered 2 days later.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:00 am to weagle99
frick that. My arse isn't doing that dumb shite.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:06 am to beerJeep
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My grandpa's uncle (whatever that makes him to me) died on May 6th in Germany to a sniper. Of course... The Germans surrendered 2 days later.
That's awful. I imagine there's a ton of those stories in history.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:30 am to fr33manator
quote:you can't take away my imagination, hitler.
You wouldn’t be there in the first place.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:31 am to LSUgirl4
You would make a great rosie the riveter imo
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:38 am
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:48 am to White Roach
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conventional wisdom was that green troops were better. They didn't know what was about to happen to them. You just couldn't ask a man to make multiple amphibious landings because no matter how brave they were, the psychological strain was too great.
Just thinking about the ordeal terrifies me.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:56 am to Cosmo
my biceps would be an overrepresentation obviously but thanks.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:59 am to White Roach
A guy in my hometown, now sadly deceased, was on every combat jump the 82nd made, from North Africa to Holland. He was in the 82nd when it was a leg unit before the war. They told them, "you're paratroopers now." He didn't know WTF they meant. Those that couldn't hack it were processed out. The ones who stayed formed the cadre.
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