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Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:29 am to weagle99
Pray that whatever bunkers I landed by were reloading or aiming to other boats and run like hell.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:32 am to boxcarbarney
2-3 years of training to invade. You didn't need drugs in them boys, they were ready to fight for each other.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:37 am to Napoleon
The Germans sucked arse at intelligence. OSS and it's various counterparts of code crackers and underservices did a fantastic job.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:38 am to weagle99
Pray.
Run like hell.
Pray.
Dont stop shooting until I was dead.
Run like hell.
Pray.
Dont stop shooting until I was dead.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 11:38 am
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:52 pm to Thacian
quote:Well, the Allied plan relied mostly on the element of surprise.
Invading Normandy the way we did it was dumb af....we had bombers that could have fricked up that beach up and made it look like the moon before we invaded on ground....
To have to storm the beach while gunners were teeing off inside concrete bunkers, then to even get there,then take it over to destroy their long range cannons and take the beach solely on foot was dumbest shite I've ever read about..
The Germans didn't know where we would make the landings, and therefore be able to send reenforcements in time to repel the invasion.
If we would have sent a naval armada a few days before the invasion to shell the frick out of the beaches, the Germans would have known where the invasion was going to be and sent reenforcements accordingly.
I'd say they probably should have used a lot more smoke bombs on the beaches to obscure the landing craft. Hard to hit a target you can't see.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:58 pm to bhtigerfan
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I'd say the best plan may have been to carpet bomb the beaches in the morning and then send in the troops after, thus not allowing the Germans enough time to reenforce.
They started aerial bombardment at midnight, 2,200 aircraft. And then followed with bombardment by the destroyers/battleships/cruisers right up until the landing craft hit the beaches.
In addition to over 20,000 paratroopers dropping behind enemy lines the night before.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:00 pm to weagle99
I would tazer the Nazis.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:06 pm to TigerstuckinMS
quote:
quote: You just couldn't ask a man to make multiple amphibious landings because no matter how brave they were, the psychological strain was too great.
The Pacific Theater says "hi".
I'll just use the 1st Marine Division as an example because I know which campaigns they fought in WWII.
Guadalcanal, starting on 7 Aug 42. While the campaign was brutal, the intitial landing was unopposed. They were on Guadalcanal for just over four months and then spent a year in Australia recovering, refitting and training replacements.
Landed at Cape Glouster around Christmas '43. The fought on New Britian for about 2-1/2 months until March '44, then off to Pavuvu to refit.
They landed on Peleliu on 15 Sep 44 and lasted a month before being relieved. Worst casualties of the war for them. Approx 4,000 in the first week and ~6,500 in a month.
Okinawa starting on April Fool's Day '45. The island was declared "secure" in late June.
That's about 10-1/2 months of fighting on four islands over a 35 month time period. How many Marines do you think made all four landings? I would venture to guess very few.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:08 pm to LSUBoo
quote:Yeah, I edited it.
They started aerial bombardment at midnight, 2,200 aircraft. And then followed with bombardment by the destroyers/battleships/cruisers right up until the landing craft hit the beaches.
In addition to over 20,000 paratroopers dropping behind enemy lines the night before.
I know a good bit more than most about WWII, but I forgot those details. Thanks for clarifying it.
They did some amazing false flag operations also like the thousands of miniature paratroopers with firecrackers dropped in other locations to fool the Germans into thinking there was a landing in other locations.
Paradummy
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:10 pm to White Roach
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That's about 10-1/2 months of fighting on four islands over a 35 month time period. How many Marines do you think made all four landings? I would venture to guess very few.
You make it sound so easy.
Most people wouldn't want to be away from loved ones for 35 straight months, let alone be in a war zone for a third of they time, while the other two thirds was spent wondering when or if you would go back. At any moment.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:11 pm to bhtigerfan
Paratroopers missing their DZs by miles also contributed to German confusion.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:18 pm to ThatMakesSense
quote:
quote: That's about 10-1/2 months of fighting on four islands over a 35 month time period. How many Marines do you think made all four landings? I would venture to guess very few.
You make it sound so easy.
On the contrary, I'm trying to show how hard it was. It was practically impossible to survive the entire war physically and mentally. Marines who weren't either killed or invalided out were often evacuated for combat stress. I bet a very small percentage of Marines who landed on Guadalcanal also made the New Britain, Peleliu and Okinawa landings. And it wasn't because it was easy. "Island hopping" was very hard.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:23 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:Damn, didn't know this.
Roosevelt was the only general on D-Day to land by sea with the first wave of troops. At 56, he was the oldest man in the invasion,[29]and the only one whose son also landed that day; Captain Quentin Roosevelt II was among the first wave of soldiers at Omaha Beach.
I read the article, impressive man.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:27 pm to White Roach
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I bet a very small percentage of Marines who landed on Guadalcanal also made the New Britain, Peleliu and Okinawa landings. And it wasn't because it was easy. "Island hopping" was very hard.
No doubt. Island hopping was hell. I'm trying to find something because I'm honestly curious whether the difficulties of the logistics of the Pacific Theater meant that the island hoppers faced more amphibious assaults than their European or Mediterranean counterparts. There just doesn't seem to be much that I'm able to find about how individual Marines and soldiers recycled after being part of an assault.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:30 pm to bhtigerfan
Henry Fonda played Roosevelt in The Longest Day. He was great. (Robert Mitchum as Norm Cota was also great casting)
Quentin Roosevelt II was named after his uncle, who was Teddy Roosevelt's youngest son. Quentin was a fighter pilot in WWI and was only 20 years old when he was killed in action. Quentin II was killed in a plane crash just a couple of years after WWII ended.
Quentin Roosevelt II was named after his uncle, who was Teddy Roosevelt's youngest son. Quentin was a fighter pilot in WWI and was only 20 years old when he was killed in action. Quentin II was killed in a plane crash just a couple of years after WWII ended.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:49 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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There just doesn't seem to be much that I'm able to find about how individual Marines and soldiers recycled after being part of an assault.
Obviously, the US military greatly expanded in WWII, but even the expanded USMC only had six divisions. The Army had 89.
I think after Peleliu the USMC initiated a points system for rotation home as training cadre. X points for each campaign, Y points for each wound, Z points for service time, etc.
They had to do something. If troops think they'll just be repeatedly thrown into the maw until they are killed or disabled, they won't stand for it. They'll mutiny (or become combat ineffective). These guys were Marines, but they weren't suicidal.
The USAAF had a similar problem in the ETO. At first, bomber crews had to fly 25 missions. Losses were so heavy the Army couldn't train replacements fast enough, so they upped to mission requirement to 30, then 35, and so on. However, air crews quickly figured out it was statistically improbable to fly 35 missions without being killed or captured. Nobody wants a virtually guaranteed death sentence. Joseph Heller, a WWII B-25 bombardier, addressed this problem in his book Catch-22.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:57 pm to White Roach
quote:
How many Marines do you think made all four landings?
My only guess is Chesty.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:07 pm to Thacian
You have no idea what you are talking about, Normandy got the shite bombed out of it but you can only do so much to a concrete bunker. The entire park is amazing, a large amount of the bunkers and tunnels are open to the public to explore at will. It also looks like Swiss cheese that many years later
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:10 pm to White Roach
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Speaking of the dumbest shite I've ever read ...
I'd imagine this guy is a millennial who can't change a tire, much less carry a ruck onto a beach.
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