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re: What schools would ST. George affect?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:08 am to urinetrouble
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:08 am to urinetrouble
More enrollment should mean more tax revenue. Seems like it would balance out. Not being contrary just asking 
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Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:10 am to urinetrouble
BR will incorporate the Mall of La and Perkins Rowe before a break away takes place.
The wheels are already in motion for that to happen.
St George includes almost half the parish from the Miss River by Gardere all the way up to past Fla Blvd on the northeast side bordering Livingston Parish. It is almost the same amount of square miles as what is in the BR city limits.
The costs of supporting that much area will be much greater than the compact areas of Zachary and Central.
The wheels are already in motion for that to happen.
quote:Both Zachary and Central are very small geographically compared to the proposed St George district.
Seems like St. George would have a better "endowment" to work with.
St George includes almost half the parish from the Miss River by Gardere all the way up to past Fla Blvd on the northeast side bordering Livingston Parish. It is almost the same amount of square miles as what is in the BR city limits.
The costs of supporting that much area will be much greater than the compact areas of Zachary and Central.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:12 am to WhoDats10
How good are you at the lottery? That's literally how you're going to get into BR High, unless you fit their demographic. Seriously, if you're "planning" to send your kids there, you should
(a) know that thousands of other parents are too and there is not close to enough room in the only non-horrible high school in EBR, and
(b) you should start planning to afford a private school for the years your kids have to attend while they play the lottery for subsequent years.
Or you could help St. George incorporate so we can enjoy a Zachary level of education (what? No magnet in Zachary? Just among the best in the state?)
(a) know that thousands of other parents are too and there is not close to enough room in the only non-horrible high school in EBR, and
(b) you should start planning to afford a private school for the years your kids have to attend while they play the lottery for subsequent years.
Or you could help St. George incorporate so we can enjoy a Zachary level of education (what? No magnet in Zachary? Just among the best in the state?)
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:12 am to urinetrouble
i guess the key to the neighborhood thing is to actually have the neighborhood kids in attendance. after k-5, middle class families that can make it work leave the public school system. the neighborhood kids start going to private schools...and its sad to say but these are the parents teachers like. the ones that give a shite. our public middle schools and high schools are lacking. i HOPE the new school district makes this better because it really is awful for people who can't afford private school but want better for their kids.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:15 am to urinetrouble
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But did Central and Zachary claim sales tax revenue from major commercial properties like the Mall of Louisiana and Perkins Rowe?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:23 am to chuckitdeep
quote:They wouldn't have to pay 100% of the costs of the new schools that were recently built. But the bond issue that was voted on to fund the new school buildings still has to be repaid and there would be some sort of reimbursement formula agreed to, just like Central. I don't remember the details of the agreement with Central but I remember they had to pass a "temporary" property tax just to handle the property transfer costs.
Why would they have to reimburse for the schools? People in the St George area have been paying taxes for schools all along. It's like being charges twice for them.
You just don't hear the "leaders" like Bodi White talk very much about those issues. Of course, he's one of the biggest con men in the legislature so that doesn't surprise me.
He led the effort a few years ago to triple legislator's pay right after they were re-elected for 4 years. Thankfully, Jindal vetoed it.
White also tried to pass a bill increasing the amount lobbyists could spend buying legislators' meals. He said the $50/meal limit was too low because "you can't get a decent meal in Baton Rouge for $50."
White is in real estate and there is no doubt in my mind he has some real estate he wants to either sell to the new city or new school system or which he believes will appreciate in value if a new city happens. He is always 100% about his own pocketbook.
Or, he may just be trying to increase his taxpayer paid retirement benefits. Legislators are in the La State Employees Retirement System and elected city officials (he thinks he can be elected mayor of the new city) are in the Municipal Employees Retirement System. He can potentially double his retirement benefits.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:25 am to LSURussian
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BR will incorporate the Mall of La and Perkins Rowe before a break away takes place. The wheels are already in motion for that to happen.
How would they go about doing that?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:38 am to Tigerpaw123
quote:You are just making a joke, aren't you?
No worries about BRH, if the St George thing goes through all the schools in that district would be top notch
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:39 am to urinetrouble
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BR will incorporate the Mall of La and Perkins Rowe before a break away takes place. The wheels are already in motion for that to happen.
How would they go about doing that?
Pass an ordinance. That's all it takes.
The other way is to hold a referendum but a referendum is not required.
I know this because I own some property in EBR that used to not be within the city limits. I woke up one day and read the paper and saw that my property had been annexed into the city via a council ordinance.
To get an ordinance proposed, a property owner in the annexed area must ask to be incorporated into the city limits. Then public notices must be posted to hold a hearing on the annexation. After the hearings are held, the city parish council votes and the mayor signs the ordinance and it's done.
Several of the property owners along Bluebonnet, including the Mall and the Perkins Rowe area, have already asked for that to happen. Councilman John Delgado who represents that area is already talking about introducing an ordinance and holding hearings as early as this month. Delgado spoke to the media about that two or three weeks ago.
Why would commercial property owners want to not be included in the new city of St George? Because they KNOW their property taxes will increase significantly (no homestead exemption for commercial property) and they fear there will also be a sales tax increase imposed on their retail tenants, thus hurting their tenants' sales.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:47 am to LSURussian
Russian finally someone is explaining this exactly as it is. To listen to the St George leaders claim no increase in taxes is an insult to most peoples intelligence. Thanks for the quality posts.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 11:50 am to LSURussian
Good stuff, LSURussian. 
If it's that easy, then it seems like a no-brainer for the city to try and do that. And wouldn't that be a game-changer in terms of the financial impact that St. George would have on the city of BR?
If it's that easy, then it seems like a no-brainer for the city to try and do that. And wouldn't that be a game-changer in terms of the financial impact that St. George would have on the city of BR?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 12:23 pm to Martini
Posted on 1/1/14 at 12:28 pm to urinetrouble
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Good stuff, LSURussian.
If it's that easy, then it seems like a no-brainer for the city to try and do that. And wouldn't that be a game-changer in terms of the financial impact that St. George would have on the city of BR?
I'm sure it would be a severe blow to the new city's finances. One article in the paper said 30% of ALL the local sales taxes collected in EBR comes from just the Mall of LA.
There is no way BR allows that revenue to walk away.
Of course, Bodi White disagrees.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 12:33 pm to LSURussian
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The problem that I see is the leaders of the breakaway effort are lying to the people by telling them no new taxes will be needed. All anyone has to do is look at Central and Zachary to see what happened to their school taxes.
You do realize that in Louisiana, the people vote for taxes. I think my neighbors would gladly add a few mils to have a top five school system.
Also, if you actually looked at the Parish budget instead of pulling from your arse you would see there's plenty of money available for the city. Look at the school board budgets and you'd see the same thing.
I understand that you're against this, but do yourea lly have to lie.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 12:37 pm to LT
What have I lied about? Be specific.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 12:43 pm to LSURussian
What people do not tell you about Central is.
1. EBRPSS put old furniture in the schools before they sold them to Central.
2. They gave them rundown buildings that needed improvement even though the school board told the voters of Central when they were with the school system that they would get new schools if they voted for the school property tax increase.
3. The first year Central should have received the property taxes EBRPSS held those taxes and took it to court where they won a decision to keep the taxes.
4. Some of the zip codes are split inside Central and the unincorporated part of EBRP. The post office will not change the zip codes. Central always has to fight the EBRP Metro Council for their taxes.
For a Metro Council that should represent everyone in this Parish it seems like they screw towns and unincorporated areas more than anything.
Most schools will improve with community involvement. Right now the community and majority of the parents are not involved in the EBRPSS. You can thank the liberals and Judge John Parker. Think how much a school system can save without having all the buses on the road. I grew up and had to go through the bus mess where you had 4 buses for elementary, 4 buses for middle school, and 4 buses for high school go down my street two blocks from neighborhood schools.
Seems to me the crooks are EBRP Metro Council and EBRPSS.
As far as quality of schools some communities that have neighborhood schools have advanced classes, normal classes, and remedial classes.
1. EBRPSS put old furniture in the schools before they sold them to Central.
2. They gave them rundown buildings that needed improvement even though the school board told the voters of Central when they were with the school system that they would get new schools if they voted for the school property tax increase.
3. The first year Central should have received the property taxes EBRPSS held those taxes and took it to court where they won a decision to keep the taxes.
4. Some of the zip codes are split inside Central and the unincorporated part of EBRP. The post office will not change the zip codes. Central always has to fight the EBRP Metro Council for their taxes.
For a Metro Council that should represent everyone in this Parish it seems like they screw towns and unincorporated areas more than anything.
Most schools will improve with community involvement. Right now the community and majority of the parents are not involved in the EBRPSS. You can thank the liberals and Judge John Parker. Think how much a school system can save without having all the buses on the road. I grew up and had to go through the bus mess where you had 4 buses for elementary, 4 buses for middle school, and 4 buses for high school go down my street two blocks from neighborhood schools.
Seems to me the crooks are EBRP Metro Council and EBRPSS.
As far as quality of schools some communities that have neighborhood schools have advanced classes, normal classes, and remedial classes.
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 12:52 pm to urinetrouble
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So why do we have transfer station?
What is that?
Looks to be a clusterphuck
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BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) -
The East Baton Rouge Parish School Superintendent Bernard Taylor responded on Wednesday to inquiries after a 9News story about school bus transfer violence. The story centered on the North Sherwood transfer station.
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Fights at school bus transfer site now under investigation by EBRSO
Hundreds of students transfer at the facility twice a day. On Tuesday we told Taylor about a couple of fights the week prior. One student had his jaw broken in two places. He said then that the violence there was not an on-going issue. But 9News obtained a copy of a memo from the school systems director of security Wayne Messina.
Messina back in March detailed a pattern of violence at the transfer station and offered suggestions to curtail some of it. Below is an excerpt from the memo.
FROM: WAYNE MESSINA EBR SCHOOL SYSTEM DIRECTOR OF SECURITY
DATE: FRIDAY MARCH 15TH, 2013
SUBJECT: TRANSFER POINT
"IN THE PAST WEEK, AT THE TRANSFER POINT, WE HAD TWO DEPUTIES INJUREED BECAUSE OF FIGHTING THAT IS TAKING PLACE….WE HAD A 19 YEAR OLD THAT INJURED AN OFFICER AND IN THE PROCESS OF RESISTING HE WAS INJURED."
Messina also suggested that School board supervisors be at the transfer point.
"…SEEING YOU WOULD BE A GREAT HELP IN CURTAILING SOME OF THE VIOLENCE THAT WE ARE SEEING OUT THERE."
That information was sent out last March in contrast to Taylor's Tuesday statement. We asked for a second interview on Wednesday and were sent this statement from Taylor.
As you know, we are investigating the incident at North Sherwood Forest
Avenue last week and working to identify the students involved to ensure
that the appropriate disciplinary action is taken.
As a more general matter, I want to reiterate that the school system works
with the Sheriff's Office to provide security teams at the transfer station
each and every day. We are also engaged in ongoing efforts to move students
as quickly as possible through the transfer station.
In fact, I instructed the Deputy Superintendent to conduct a site visit of
the transfer station last week, and we are already working to implement new
recommendations to further minimize wait times at the transfer station.
We take the concerns of our parents and the safety of our students very
seriously, and we are committed to doing everything we can to continually
improve the status of operations.
The bottom line is our schools are safe and most of our 42,000 students make
good choices about their personal conduct each and every day. We cannot
allow the poor decisions of a few to overshadow the rest.
In his statement, Taylor did not address the Messina email.
Copyright 2013 WAFB. All rights reserved.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 1:02 pm to Tigerpaw123
That doesn't prove there is cross town bussing.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 1:09 pm to LSURussian
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That doesn't prove there is cross town bussing.
You and trouble wanted to know more about the transfer station, I am giving you info on them, I guess it does not prove cross town bussing, I suppose they have the transfer station just for the hell of it, because if everybody were going to a neighborhood school , they would not be needed
Posted on 1/1/14 at 1:15 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
You keep claiming the leaders of this effort are lying to the people saying taxes will not be raised.
That is bullshite. They have said taxes could increase but only by vote.
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