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re: What is the Justification For Having an Army, Navy, AND a Marine Corps?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:46 am to Sao
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:46 am to Sao
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The Marines Suck at football Apparently. If anyone has to go it should be them.
The Navy/Marine Corps team is 14-0 in the last 14 years over Army
Go Navy!
Beat Army!
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:46 am to Poncho
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how do you know its not running as efficiently as possible right now?
It isn't, otherwise we'd have won our war in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and against terrorism.
To the OP, you have the right general mindset but the wrong idea on how to go about fixing the inefficiencies. The problem isn't that we spend too much money, it's that we waste it. But apart from that the real issue is leadership, we are fighting complex enemies using dated, complicated tactics. If you ever get the chance, read upon Starfish and the Spider by Ori Brafman and Team of Teams by Stanely Mchrystal. You will see where our problems lie.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:46 am to Poncho
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I doubt there is anything the Army/Navy/AF cannot do right now with the equipment they have that the Marines do. Yet, Marines are funded and deployed alongside the three branches, and do redundant jobs.
How about things like this?
Now it's been more than a few years since I was in the army but last time I checked we had 0 AAV's. And Bradleys and Abrams can't float for shite.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:47 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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TigerFanInSouthland
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We're a department of the navy....the men's department
Weekend warrior?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:48 am to Poncho
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What is the Justification For Having an Army, Navy, and a Marine Corps?
Get outta here you pinko commie liberal fig.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:48 am to Draconian Sanctions
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you can't be a true fiscal conservative when you give an entire branch of government a pass on their 600 billion plus a year budget.
A few things:
1. National defense is one of the primary, if not the primary, objectives of the federal government, so I tend to give a bit more leeway
2. Defense budgets were cut significantly and then have been growing ever so slowly (down to 17% of the federal budget from 21.5% ten years ago). Have you seen anything similar from SS and Medicare? Nope.
3. Much of defense spending is in mundane, everyday operational stuff. We already have a smaller footprint than we did ten years ago (and much smaller than 25 years ago). The force was getting hammered when I got out not that long ago, and it's coming to a head now. They're stretched far too thin, so either reduce roles and responsibilities (my preference) or beef up the budget again. We still need to maintain a solid defense posture even with a reduced presence.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:49 am to AbuTheMonkey
Not too mention the Army is almost at an all time personnel low
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:49 am to Jcorye1
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What is the justification of having both a pencil and a pen?
Hell, why do we need 50 states? Make it just one country and let the federal government govern all. Oh, and get rid of cities too. No need for redundant government there.
To the OP: go paint some art.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:50 am to Darth_Vader
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doubt there is anything the Army/Navy/AF cannot do right now with the equipment they have that the Marines do. Yet, Marines are funded and deployed alongside the three branches, and do redundant jobs.
The Marine Corps is an expeditionary fighting force, until the Army (slow and heavy) can operate like an expeditionary force this discussion of consolidating the Corps is pointless.
FWIW slow and heavy is a necessity after the expeditionary force does their work.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:54 am to Poncho
it works like it currently does because the military, or any branch of government, doesn't want their budget taken away from them. They are assigned a certain # each year to spend and if they spend it all, they can ask for more next year. If they don't spend it all they get it cut the following year. Everyone loves to spend money that is not theirs, so that is what they do even if they go to the point of wasting money. If the country were to ever save money and pay off the debt it owes do you think the government would say "mission accomplished let's lower taxes now since we don't need so much money?" if you do I have some beach front property to sell you.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:54 am to 13SaintTiger
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It isn't, otherwise we'd have won our war in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and against terrorism.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 11:55 am
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:54 am to Poncho
honestly the army and airforce should be dissolved they are just a less qualified version of the navy and marine corps.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:57 am to Poncho
Because we are the land of the free because of the brave......'Merica 
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:58 am to Peazey
Yea reply with some stupid arse gif. Don't get caught waist deep in quicksand, because this isn't a conversation you want to have.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:58 am to Poncho
Decentralization makes the military easier to run.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:59 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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honestly the army and airforce should be dissolved they are just a less qualified version of the navy and marine corps.
FYI, the Marines send their recruit tankers to the US Army Armor School. I was one of their instructors in the early 90's for a while before I came off active duty.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:01 pm to Poncho
The Navy keeps Marines aboard their ships because sheep would be too obvious.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:01 pm to Darth_Vader
air force eod sends their guys to navy eod school. all branches are sent to the defense language institute in monterey (army base). all branches use each other's schools.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:03 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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air force eod sends their guys to navy eod school
Well one thing I think you and I can agree on is the AF is a bunch of pussies.
(just kidding to all my AF friends out there
)
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:07 pm to Draconian Sanctions
For the same reason that the Marines had to clean up the Army's mess in Fallujah and Korengal you dickhead.
You want to cut defense spending than focus on how much money the military spends on every day things. I recently checked out of a unit and forgot to bring some thermal underwear and few other minor cold weather gear clothing items. I thought about just absorbing the cost until supply informed me that it would run me $900 for a few pieces of underwear and a pullover.
You want to cut defense spending than focus on how much money the military spends on every day things. I recently checked out of a unit and forgot to bring some thermal underwear and few other minor cold weather gear clothing items. I thought about just absorbing the cost until supply informed me that it would run me $900 for a few pieces of underwear and a pullover.
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