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re: What constitutes being an alcoholic or drunkard
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:11 am to BaconGrease
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:11 am to BaconGrease
You trust that? One response?
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:12 am to Sao
Of course not. Just saying it sounds alot like myself. I appreciate all input
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:13 am to BaconGrease
IMO, an alcoholic is one who is sloppy drunk everyday but someone who drinks in moderation daily is ok.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:15 am to BaconGrease
How old are you if I can ask
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:15 am to SEClint
quote:
Addiction
Yep. Lots of people have problems drinking but that doesn't make you an Alcoholic
The recovery industry has expanded the meaning so loosely that anyone who regularly drinks might self label themselves. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:19 am to Sao
quote:
How old are you if I can ask
46
Married +2 kids
Good job
Can I ask where you are coming from? You sound as if you have dealt with this before
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
You're smarter than to deteriorate the root cause down to marketing. Absolutely, it's an industry - with a shite success rate - but don't perpetuate help is a soft waste of money.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:26 am to BaconGrease
Im on my 2nd whiskey by the way.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 12:28 am
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:28 am to BaconGrease
48. Divorced. 1 18 year old daughter. Casualty of 4 in patient, 3 out patient and lots of shitty memories. I would give anything to have my ex have control no matter the "sobriety ". But she couldn't. 6 weeks. 1 year. It doesn't work that way.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:34 am to Sao
quote:
48. Divorced. 1 18 year old daughter. Casualty of 4 in patient, 3 out patient and lots of shitty memories. I would give anything to have my ex have control no matter the "sobriety ". But she couldn't. 6 weeks. 1 year. It doesn't work that way.
Damn dude. Sorry bout that. Your ex obviously had a problem. If my back was against the wall I could walk away from it. I've done it. More than once. Mind over matter.
But my back is not against the wall. I just like to drink. Mainly out of boredom. So. Where is the line drawn between an alcoholic and someone who likes to drink. No one has the answer I think because it's different for different people.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:35 am to Sao
quote:
You're smarter than to deteriorate the root cause down to marketing.
Just pointing out the definition is being watered down. The word alcoholic is ont the outs anyway being replaced by disorder which is far more emcompassing.
Alcoholics crave alcohol and can't stop drinking, to the point their bodies absolutely have to have it.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:36 am to SouthernHog
quote:
Im on my 2nd whiskey by the way.
2nd bottle? 2nd whiskey sour? Lol. Cheers baw
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:43 am to BaconGrease
quote:
Where is the line drawn between an alcoholic and someone who likes to drink. No one has the answer I think because it's different for different people.
That's the point but I'm trying to say 'quitting' for alcoholics is an entirely different category. You don't quit. It's chemistry.
If you just drink to drink, fine. But I guarantee you know by now if it's a hobby or not.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:48 am to Sao
quote:Ok. So what you're saying is if my body has a physical craving after I stop drinking it's not a hobby anymore and I can't control it. Don't agree with that.
But I guarantee you know by now if it's a hobby or not.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:50 am to BaconGrease
Why did you post then?
Edit: btw, you keep saying "body". As if you're measuring with some sort of shimmying. You're looking in the wrong place.
Edit: btw, you keep saying "body". As if you're measuring with some sort of shimmying. You're looking in the wrong place.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 12:54 am
Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:51 am to BaconGrease
quote:
So what you're saying is if my body has a physical craving after I stop drinking it's not a hobby anymore and I can't control it. Don't agree with that.
You don't have to agree. Most people are in denial until its way too late. Usually people realize it when alchohol becomes more important than almost everything else.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:00 am to Sao
quote:
Why did you post then?
Huh? This wasn't a cry for help. This was an honest query about whether or not someone here could draw a line between an alcoholic and someone who likes to drink. I don't believe there is a definitive answer.
So far I've got:
1)This thread makes you an alcoholic
2)if you have to ask you're an alcoholic
3) my ex was an alcoholic, gave me hell and I have a shitty outlook about alcohol. No offense
4) I'm on my 2nd Evan Williams and coke
5) I've drank off and on all my life into my forties and it's all good
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
You don't have to agree. Most people are in denial until its way too late. Usually people realize it when alchohol becomes more important than almost everything else.
Ok that makes sense.thnx
Posted on 10/21/19 at 2:28 am to BaconGrease
To be diagnosed with AUD, individuals must meet any two of the below criteria within the same 12-month period:2
Using alcohol in higher amounts or for a longer time than originally intended.
Being unable to cut down on alcohol use despite a desire to do so.
Spending a lot of time obtaining, using, and recovering from the effects of alcohol.
Cravings, or a strong desire to use alcohol.
Being unable to fulfill major obligations at home, work, or school because of alcohol use.
Continuing to abuse alcohol despite negative interpersonal or social problems that are likely due to alcohol use.
Giving up previously enjoyed social, occupational, or recreational activities because of alcohol use.
Using alcohol in physically dangerous situations (such as driving or operating machinery).
Continuing to abuse alcohol despite the presence of a psychological or physical problem that is probably due to alcohol use.
Having a tolerance (i.e. needing to drink increasingly large or more frequent amounts of alcohol to achieve desired effect).
Developing symptoms of withdrawal when efforts are made to stop using alcohol.
According to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse & Alcoholism (NIAAA), women who have no more than 3 drinks on a given day and no more than 7 per week are at low-risk for developing AUD. For men, this low-risk range is defined as no more than 4 drinks on a given day and no more than 14 per week
Using alcohol in higher amounts or for a longer time than originally intended.
Being unable to cut down on alcohol use despite a desire to do so.
Spending a lot of time obtaining, using, and recovering from the effects of alcohol.
Cravings, or a strong desire to use alcohol.
Being unable to fulfill major obligations at home, work, or school because of alcohol use.
Continuing to abuse alcohol despite negative interpersonal or social problems that are likely due to alcohol use.
Giving up previously enjoyed social, occupational, or recreational activities because of alcohol use.
Using alcohol in physically dangerous situations (such as driving or operating machinery).
Continuing to abuse alcohol despite the presence of a psychological or physical problem that is probably due to alcohol use.
Having a tolerance (i.e. needing to drink increasingly large or more frequent amounts of alcohol to achieve desired effect).
Developing symptoms of withdrawal when efforts are made to stop using alcohol.
According to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse & Alcoholism (NIAAA), women who have no more than 3 drinks on a given day and no more than 7 per week are at low-risk for developing AUD. For men, this low-risk range is defined as no more than 4 drinks on a given day and no more than 14 per week
Posted on 10/21/19 at 2:51 am to BaconGrease
Well at AA meetings being an alchoholic is two things.
1. A physical allergy - meaning once you start you cant stop
2. Mental obsession - You think about it all the time, which leads you to drink ,and then you cant stop once you start.
That's an over simplification, but that's the jist of how the addiction community sees it.
1. A physical allergy - meaning once you start you cant stop
2. Mental obsession - You think about it all the time, which leads you to drink ,and then you cant stop once you start.
That's an over simplification, but that's the jist of how the addiction community sees it.
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