re: We dont have the shipbuilding capability China does...but,,,,,

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They're building a bunch of junk that still doesn't have them as a "blue water" navy. It's a bunch of coastal patrol boats.

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South La shipyards could ramp up in a year and out build the bull shite that these chicken littles are giving the chinese credit for.
They might could have a big enough navy that attack Tawain. LOL

whats sad about your post is the technology of warfare has substantially changed and the US holds the overwhelming advantage over both china and russia



We aren't needing to move troops and supplies across oceans anymore we can just kill the enemy with drones while sitting safely ensconced in a chair thousands of miles away

go build a model

great argument

no facts

Warfare has changed; we hold the technological advantage .


Where am I wrong?

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great argument no facts Warfare has changed; we hold the technological advantage . Where am I wrong?

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I spelled out where you’re wrong.

1. China has the capability to make good its losses in a naval war while we don’t (see my first post on this thread)

2. Even with technology, logistics still is what wins wars. It was our ace in the hole that won WWII and made us the dominant military force in the world for the second half of the 20th century. And as things stand today, we lack the naval logistics capability to sustain a protracted war on the other side of the Pacific against China. I don’t like it. I freaking hate it. But it’s time we as a country admit it and address the problem because it’s not a problem that is a quick fix. China has been gearing up for a war in the South China Sea for decades. It’s time we do the same.

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1. China has the capability to make good its losses in a naval war while we don’t (see my first post on this thread)

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technology makes this irrelevant

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2. Even with technology, logistics still is what wins wars. It was our ace in the hole that won WWII and made us the dominant military force in the world for the second half of the 20th century. And as things stand today, we lack the naval logistics capability to sustain a protracted war on the other side of the Pacific against China. I don’t like it. I freaking hate it. But it’s time we as a country admit it and address the problem because it’s not a problem that is a quick fix. China has been gearing up for a war in the South China Sea for decades. It’s time we do the same.

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we won't be sending personnel which negates the need to move bodies and supplies due to the changing nature of warfare because of the technology


I win



and the tonnage,
our allies Japan which is growing their fleet.
Our significant advantage in submarines
in addition and perhaps more signifigent is India, and they've been amping up their ability, and the fact we don't need a huge advantage in numbers because we can bottleneck the Chinese fleet at the Malaca strait


bitch

Darth is correct. China’s shipbuilding capacity and their rapidly expanding blue water navy is going to make the USN second rate once they gain more experience with naval air. We don’t have the capacity to catch up with them. We have advantages in technology but they’re stealing it as fast as we come up with it and in some areas they’re advancing faster.

Re-industrializing the U.S. is the #1 priority for national security.


To emphasize, we held the competition to decide what proven design would be used for FFGX in 2018ish. It was supposed to be nearly plug and play. The USN went with the French/Italian FREMM design built by Fincantieri and they would expand their shipyard at Marine Marinette to build these new frigates. The first ship should be rolling off the line next year. So far we have not one keel laid down and haven’t finished constantly changing design parameters including basic shite like hull length.

We are absolutely fricked sideways in naval procurement right now. Every ship design has been massive to moderate failure at least in the short term and we have over a century of experience in operating a blue water navy.

Erie, what do you do for a living?

We are forgetting the biggest thing. They are made in China.