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Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:33 am to Gris Gris
I don't believe this is an issue that would be harmless error. She needs to tread carefully--almost at the finish line, take the time and extra day to make the record.
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Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:34 am to MFn GIMP
I'd argue that the zoom call is equivalent to him being in front of the jury and this is all moot. God knows trials still went on during covid via zoom.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:36 am to Proximo
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I don't believe this is an issue that would be harmless error. She needs to tread carefully--almost at the finish line, take the time and extra day to make the record.
She has already done so many many times. She has been overly careful.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:36 am to tterrific
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I think him saying "this has never been done" put a fear into her.
I think you're right. She was standing firm on it until he said that. She's just scared, for no reason. She has consistently given him the benefit of the doubt and he only continues acting like he is because there is no punishment. The only possible punishment is holding him in contempt and if she does that he's entitled to a hearing on the contempt charge so it just delays his inevitable convictions. It's win-win for him.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:37 am to Gris Gris
Yes, but verbal requests to come back to the courtroom and promises to abide by decorum could result in appealable error
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:37 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
quote:Yup.Congress votes on all kinds of bills while not in actual attendance of a session.
I'd argue that the zoom call is equivalent to him being in front of the jury and this is all moot. God knows trials still went on during covid via zoom.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:38 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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I'd argue that the zoom call is equivalent to him being in front of the jury and this is all moot. God knows trials still went on during covid via zoom.
His argument would be everyone else is in the courtroom except him and it is prejudicial to him to have the jury see him out of the courtroom and also being muted. I don't think anything will be prejudicial enough to affect the outcome.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:38 am to Gris Gris
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She has been overly careful.
To you. I think she's doing this to leave as little ammo for any type of appeal later. It's best to err on the side of caution with this one. Just because this a-hole doesn't have a lawyer now doesn't mean one that watched this thing play out might not try to make a name for themselves later.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:38 am to Proximo
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Yes, but verbal requests to come back to the courtroom and promises to abide by decorum could result in appealable error
He still hasn't promised to abide by decorum.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:40 am to LNCHBOX
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To you. I think she's doing this to leave as little ammo for any type of appeal later. It's best to err on the side of caution with this one.
That's obvious. I think she has covered herself well and done more than was necessary. His behavior has been outrageous and disruptive to say the least.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:40 am to KyleOrtonsMustache
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Objekson! Grouns! Tackit agreemens! Subjek madder jursdikson!
I'm gonna have to axe you to cool it.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:41 am to Gris Gris
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I think she has covered herself well and done more than was necessary. His behavior has been outrageous and disruptive to say the least.
I agree, but that doesn't mean there isn't some stupid legalese that exists that could cause trouble.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:42 am to Proximo
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promises to abide by decorum could result in appealable error
He has yet to agree to abide by decorum and what she described today.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:44 am to Gris Gris
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She has already done so many many times. She has been overly careful.
It only takes one screwup. An appellate judge could say that her requiring him to write a pledge was improper.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:44 am to Gris Gris
I haven't listened to every word he's spoken but again, it is best to err on the side of caution
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:44 am to Zarchonian
Playing Devils Advocate, she got through 41 pages with him waving his hands numerous times throughout and she ignored...she knows while it will take 15 minutes of nonsense, she can then kick him out for the remainder of instructions while ignoring him again.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:47 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
There it is. Same nonsense he's done all trial.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:47 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
Still in the other room. Lol
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:48 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
Some judge tossing this conviction would seem to me (not a lawyer) to create a ridiculously dangerous precedent for defendants who have no real chance of really benefiting from legal counsel
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